In our society today, we're dealing with many issues and one of them happens to be Rights for the GLBT Community.I like to call this our second Civil Rights Movement. What I like to say from all of this is that every person on this planet is a person. They're human and human means Human Rights!I am going to tell people who believe choosing what you believe in is a choice. Being gay is not a choice. When you're a kid, you don't think about such things. At least I didn't. But my point is is that you have to respect every human being with equality. Just because they're something you're not doesn't make you any better. If you were gay, you would understand too. Ask any person who is homosexual. When you enter this world, you are born a certain way. I believe every human being should be treated with respect - that's just like with African Americans. You don't choose to be either white or black. You are what you are. I treat every person with respect - no matter what. I am for gay marriage and yes if I were President today I would ban civil unions and replace it with gay marriage.

I will start by reminding everyone that being homosexual is a lifestyle choice just like having a tattoo on your unblemished and beautiful skin.

While some, in an effort to justify their bad choice, might argue that they had no choice in being born gay, the truth of the matter is that homosexuality is a choice, and a very poor one at that.

I will revert back to the tattoo analogy; people who have been disfigured by tattoos should not look upon those who haven't as being naive or backwards. They should not complain if they are not fully accepted into a society in which the majority don't fancy tattoos or trust those that do! Similarly, homosexuality is a bad choice and those that indulge in it should not try to force themselves upon those that don't. It's a shame that the Anglican Church ordained a gay bishop. This undermines the true value of the Church and questions its moral standards.

While the Bible does not specifically state that homosexuality is a sin, it does mention the towns of Sodom and Gomorrah in which the practice was very prevalent that were totally destroyed by God as a punishment for this very transgressions.

***As a practicing Catholic, I strongly believe that marriage is a holy sacrament between a man and a woman and no caterpillar nor bulldozer will move me from my stance.

Politicians will unearth the dead to get their votes and will do or say anything to get elected to office at the expense of religion, traditions and moral values. They will entertain and subscribe to homosexuality if they believe that it will generate votes. They will even twist the law or amend it to accommodate the homosexuals. Shame on our politicians and bless those who denounce this bad choice.

Since homosexuality is a choice, and a very bad one at that, then certain privileges and rights reserved for married couples, such as adoption and inheritance should not be extended to those practicing homosexuality. Should you come across a preposition calling to reverse any bills that were signed into law providing the homosexuals with equal rights, please sign it so that we can vote those bad laws out of our books.

***Marriage is between a man and a woman and with it comes all the rights and privillages.

Are Arabs and Muslims born terrorists or is it just a bad choice they make in life? Are children raised by terrorists at risk of turning to terror themselves? If you answered these questions honestly, then you understand that we need to see the homosexuals as what they are and not how they want us to perceive them. They made a bad choice and should not force it down our throats. They are the ones that need to adapt to the society and not vice versa.

ok i aint really getting on to this subject no more i am done with it because yes love is love but wrong is wrong and gay and being lesben is wrong look int he bibble a whole city was killed by god becasue of most of the stuff in ameracia and thatn that city let gays marry and than they was gone ok so why wouldnt he do that to us i will sya that and jermy your a dumb fuck it is all nasty to me but thats jsut how i think and meggan i aint saying dont be gay or nothing and spanish speakers can speak were they wont but not to english speaking epople becasue my famliy is mainly german de i still speak it no i have joined the english lang like the hispanics shoudl but wont but back to the gay shit ok marriage (the holy union) should not happen between gays is what i say the legal binding i am fine with

what i mena by this is go have a huge wedding and stuff let a justice hold the wedding (not a pastor a justice of the peace ) and yall get legally marryed but not holy marryed i am fine with and with a legal marrage you cna clam them on taxes and allt he same shit as a girl guy holy/legal marraige thats is what i been trying to say

First, this is my firt post, hello.
I personaly don't believe "gays" exist, nor do I believe "strait" people exit. What I mean is that I don't believe people have an sexual orientation, except to have more. As a Christian, I believe homosexual acts are sinful, but I believe that the only thing that should prevent someone from adopting a child is a backround of violence within the last 10-15 years, a sex-offender, child or otherwise, or the lack of a roof over the child's head. As with marrige, man+woman=marrige, and nothing else.

I agree, it's not right for us to judge them or persecute them. I don't agree with just one thing : I think gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt children that's all.
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Homosexuality is against my religion, but I don't see why people have to discriminate against them. I have plenty of gay friends and although they realize that I cannot fully support them because of my religious background, we remain good friends. I support civil union completely, but not marriage.

For the people citing the Constitution or Bill of rights, you have to keep in mind that those ideas have been outdated plenty of years ago. If we strictly followed the Constitution, women or blacks would not be voting. Obviously, this is not the case due to the many amendments. There's no law written that bans any new amendments or laws that would ban OR permit gay marriage.

I have absolutely no problem with gay rights. In the Constitution, more specifically, the Bill of Rights, it was clearly stated all men are equal. It never stated anything about religions considering homosexuality unorthodox. In fact, our country is idealistically secular, in which case religion should not be a factor influencing people to ban gay rights in states. I understand that our nation is far from secularism and is truly opposite, very religiously involved considering the 2008 Presidential elections and the numerous sermons the candidates are performing to capture the votes from religious groups.

In my opinion, banning people to marry a person of their choice is undemocratic. Period. Doesn't matter who the person is. That crosses the line in liberty and freedom. Hence, if not that, what does our country represent? A hypocrisy?

I'm glad that there is actual conversation here about the separation of religious views from this argument. It is really not fair to debate religion on a board about civic rights because the two are completely separate. (ie. one could argue that in the US, a person has the civic right to an abortion, but to some Christians one does not have the religious right to have an abortion.)

To answer the initial question, no. I find nothing wrong with gay rights. I couldn't care any less about different religious views on homosexuality because the United States should act as a secular country. But for the interest of arguing every aspect of the "gay issue", let's discuss this argument in the different realms.

Firstly, the realm of civic law. U.S. citizens are individuals with choices. These choices are restricted by a set of laws, but one is generally free to do as one pleases. So, if we are to consider homosexuality as a choice (which I personally don't believe it is, but to live in a flamboyant manner I suppose is a choice), then it is ridiculous to restrict these choices. What possible basis is there to deny rights on a civic basis? Our country has a history that sadly: slavery, women's rights, black rights, interracial marriages, etc.

Secondly, the realm of moral study. Not to attack any religion, but why should one religion dictate an entire society of different view points? It seems that the answer, "The bible says..." is a weak argument at best because not everyone is Christian, just in the same token as Christians wouldn't want to be ruled by Muslim law or Jewish law (or Hindi, Buddhist, Wiccan, Pagan, Sikh, Unitarian, Universalist, or any other form of religion). So why all this debate about religion when it doesn't even really play into the question?

Now then, the debate about gay rights has historically not been about rights but a debate about homosexuality in itself. This is ludicrous. The U.S. Government Accounting Office reported in 2004 that there are 1,049 federal statutory provisions that are contingent upon marital status. (http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf). The question of gay rights shouldn't be a question at all. People are people.

One indicator of chanster's fantastic character is that she is able to separate her religion and her view of what is good for her from her recognition of the choices and beliefs of others.

I.e. Even though she doesn't necessarily think homosexuality is right, she still allows that others find it acceptable, and she sees that allowing gay marriage doesn't harm HER at all, so she is completely tolerant.

This is an incredibly valuable attitude. My congratulations.

I usually don't say this, but leave God out of this. Yes, he said that IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. I hate it when people drag religion into these discussions, yes I am Catholic, but as herosdoexist07 said in a different post,the rules are so binding, either hell or heaven: my people follow me, to hell with the rest of you. Or something like that. I agree with that, LOVE IS LOVE. I am against gays. I don't know why. Oh, wait yeah I do, becuase my religion said so. So I say this.It is not a disease, it is not a disorder. It is a lifestyle choice, and others' choices have to be respected. Yes, abortion makes me sick, I am against that without even bringing God's rules into it. I am against violence, rape, murder without bringing God into it. But I say this, I am not against a white being with a black or a Mexican or a Mexican with a black, whatever the equation figures out to, you get it. And as of right now, I am not against gays and lesbians, because I have no reason to be. And neither does anyone else. Take your religion elsewhere, this isn't about religion. The most devout Catholic may be a supporter of abortion, the most devout Jew in love with a non Jew. This is a lifestyle choice, and someone else's business not ours. So saying that, I finish my rambling and give my blessing.

Just to keep this on the personal level, God taught YOU your beliefs. Religion is a touchy subject, and people interpret the same text differently. I respect that you have said, but be in mind of this.

I believe that gay marriage is wrong. God teaches that homosexuality is a sin, but we are still supposed to love the people and care about them. I'm not trying to push my religion down your throat, just state my beliefs.

GAY ISSUES!

1) Having children. In most cases, if you have children or hope to raise a family, marriage is probably the right option. Married couples by law have equal rights to raise their children, as well as equal obligations of support. In a divorce, both parents can seek visitation and custody, and, if one parent dies, the other one can step in as the primary legal guardian. It's pretty difficult to make these sorts of arrangements with out a legal marriage or a second parent.

2) Jointly owning property. Marriage isn't a prerequisite for owning property together, but if you get married, in most situations your property will be jointly owned regardless of who pays for it. This is the reverse of the presumption that applies to unmarried couples. Getting married may be the most efficient way of establishing property.

3) Formal ceremony. Every marriage requires a formal ceremony, and every marital separation requires some kind of formal court action -- and quite often the help of a lawyer. Unmarried couples can break up informally, on their own terms.

4) Inheritance and death taxes. Without a legal marriage, a couple needs to sign several agreements to create even a partial framework of protection in the event of death, and certain tax benefits are forever denied to unmarried couples. If you are married, however, the surviving spouse generally inherits all the property if the partner dies.

5) Transfer taxes. Transfers of property upon divorce are tax-free for legally married couples, but not for unmarried’s. It's unclear yet how these rules will apply to same-sex couples, because of the federal government's refusal to recognize same-sex relationships.

6) Government benefits. Marriage can bestow a bevy of important benefits, including military or Social Security benefits, health care benefits, and nursing home coverage. Marriage may also qualify you for unpaid leave from your job under the Family Leave Act.

I would have no problem with a homosexual babysitting my children, be it male or female. If my kids wanna be gay, they can gay! My kids being mollested comes to mind but it doesn't take a homosexual to do something like that - it takes a disgusting individual, and I don't think homosexuals are disgusting unless they're awful individuals.

I cannot come up with a legitimate reason as to why there are even debates about this subject. Gay rights should not even be considered. It should be a given. This is AMERICA. We are supposed to pride ourselves on freedom equality, but at this point in society, I do not pride myself on being an American under those terms. Until my friends have the rights they deserve, I will not respect or enforce the government of this country. Nation my arse.

By the way: technical definition of nation - a group of people with the same beliefs

Under that definition, the united states of america is not a nation. And that is one thing I love about it.

GAY RIGHTS!!!

I'm not even gay, or lesbian, I guess.

Governor McGreevy announced three years ago: "I am a Gay American."

I think it's pretty clever. One's sexual preference does not make him/her any less of a citizen.

Any one that does not consider themselves Heterosexual should have the same rights as heterosexuals.
In many different cultures people that would have been in the LGBTQ community of this day and age were held in high regard. Now because of whatever reason, whether it be religion, media, or upbringing many see LGBTQ persons as being weird or different and say that they are not like the majority. Just because some may not seem like the majority for whatever reason whether it be ethnicity, social economic status, age, sexual orientation, a persons sexual identity, religion, political stance, and lastly "disability" we should all have the same rights like marriage, adoption, ability to vote, as well as other things.

In the future The "LGBTQ Rights Movement" will be like issues in the past like slavery, women's rights, and the civil rights movement. People in the future will see many of the bigoted terms and actions that many had for the LGBTQ community and see it as being as dumb as we see terms like the N-word.

I have no problems with GAY RIGHTS because we should all be treated all the same...
Everybody should be treated equally and dont bash the people who believe in the opposite sex
and think about dating the different gender

i am not christian...i still think that gay is okay..hehe...that rhymes

i for one totally agree. i belive that the constitution has only survived so far because it gets to the point. if it is not destructive, its okay..

gay people are people. DUHH...any right we have, they have. CASE CLOSED

*In response to GoWhiteSox last post*
I don't believe NSilverman was saying that being gay is a race. I am pretty sure they were bringing up the legitimate fact that there is the same prejudice against the Gay Rights Movement as there was against the Civil Rights Movement. Please stop being the Religious Police. I think it is great that you have faith and believe strongly in your religion, but please don't press your beliefs on others. Religious freedom allows people to believe what they want so we all need to respect others beliefs and not pass judgment, no matter how much someone else's beliefs might go against our own.

Who knows, maybe gays will get a "straight to heaven" card for all the injustices they suffer here on earth.

For gays and lesbians there's a lot of conflict on this situation. People aren't allowed to adopt, marry, and don't get the same respect. Why is that?
People don't always agree for we all have our own beliefs on what is right and wrong. So, we all have trouble there. But for me my biggest thing right now is not the adoption and marriage, but just the flat out same respect and every human being should get. Homosexuals are always treated differently. People either despise them or give them more/"better" treatment. If we can't get the roots of mistreatment, then we can't get anywhere. We need to teach respect before we can move on to the bigger stuff. If we can equality upon the streets, then we can definitely get a law allowing homosexuals the same rights as heterosexuals.
Most people are against homosexuality until they have a family member or friend that admits they're gay, or else they just leave them in the dust. Well, what if the world's majority was homosexual and heterosexuals were in this situation. Would you support it or not? It could've happened the other way around. Think, what can you do to help people be more respectful. The big one is help people realize that when they say, "That's so gay!" it's really disrespectful and hurtful. Try it and see what people say.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Leviticus 20:13

You think the Lord is right there, too?

I personally agree with NSilverman. There's no point to arguing about this because we're simply walking in a circle saying "this is right, this is wrong." I find that the points he made make perfect sense in response to your other post, GoWhiteSox.

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> You are saying that being gay is a race? That is
> the most rediculous thing I have ever heard,
> however, in federal statute, the specific races
> are listed and discriminatory restrictions are
> described individually to each one. An
> interesting side-note is that discrimination
> against white males is not illegal. So, even if
> your insane assertion that being gay is a race is
> true, that race is not defined in federal law and
> therefore it is legal to discriminate against
> them. Thank you for proving that it is legal to
> discrminate against gays.

I'm simply making the point that race is a very generic term and although people see it with such a black and white definition (e.g. "I am Caucasian,") it is now used as a very large term. And simply from using a well-known and trusted dictionary, one could use the definition of race as a way to defend someone's personal preferences.

Federal law doesn't go very far, especially when state law exists also, in parallel but sometimes in conflict with the U.S. federal law. It's really interesting to compare one's own state law to the federal law itself.

> I'd like to talk some more about gays and
> marriage. To start with, you have to delineate
> between legal marriage and religious marriage.
> For the religious part, that is up to individual
> regligious bodies to decide. However, for the
> legal part, I believe the reason people are
> opposed to it is because they feel that
> homosexuality is wrong and immoral and that the
> government should not support wrong and immoral
> behaviour. And, yes, I know that not everyone
> believes it is wrong, but not everyone believes
> that worshiping Satan is wrong either. This
> doesn't mean that it isn't wrong. It may or may
> not be wrong, that is the reason for the
> struggle.

The only problem is that, even though some gay couples wish to be married religiously and can't, they also are not able to even be married by the government (in essence, a marriage but more so a joining.) This, I do not find fair at all. Without joining/marital bonds, gay couples don't have the right to both be parents of an adopted child. Also, if one of the partners has suitable health insurance from their jobs, the other partner is not allowed to use that health insurance without some sort of marital privileges. I think that's a little unfair to the couple.

> ---Below are MY beliefs, you probably have other
> ones, we are both entitled to our beliefs---
> I believe that God said homosexuality is wrong. 1
> Corinthians, 6:9 says, "Do not be deceived:
> Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor
> adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor HOMOSEXUAL
> offenders nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor
> drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers, will
> inherit the kingdom of God. Therefore, not only
> are they sins, but they are sins that will
> prohibit you from entering heaven - a pretty
> strong indication to me that they are wrong and
> immoral.
> That is why I do not support the government
> recognizing gay marriage - because they would be
> supporting wrong and immoral behavior.

I understand your points and religious stance but do you have any other reasons? Even though the government has taken this route, one's religious beliefs are not a sufficient argument purely because everyone has so many different beliefs and also because bibles/torahs/whatever all have differing information and none of these have good enough source value unlike the law, for example.

Yeah, but didn't the church also used to oppose inter-racial marriage? Just a thought.
And at one point in history they also told you that if you gave them money, you'd buy yourself into Heaven....So I'm sorry, but that's not exactly a good source to try and convince me being gay is immoral.

You are saying that being gay is a race? That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard, however, in federal statute, the specific races are listed and discriminatory restrictions are described individually to each one. An interesting side-note is that discrimination against white males is not illegal. So, even if your insane assertion that being gay is a race is true, that race is not defined in federal law and therefore it is legal to discriminate against them. Thank you for proving that it is legal to discrminate against gays.

I'd like to talk some more about gays and marriage. To start with, you have to delineate between legal marriage and religious marriage. For the religious part, that is up to individual regligious bodies to decide. However, for the legal part, I believe the reason people are opposed to it is because they feel that homosexuality is wrong and immoral and that the government should not support wrong and immoral behaviour. And, yes, I know that not everyone believes it is wrong, but not everyone believes that worshiping Satan is wrong either. This doesn't mean that it isn't wrong. It may or may not be wrong, that is the reason for the struggle.
---Below are MY beliefs, you probably have other ones, we are both entitled to our beliefs---
I believe that God said homosexuality is wrong. 1 Corinthians, 6:9 says, "Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor HOMOSEXUAL offenders nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Therefore, not only are they sins, but they are sins that will prohibit you from entering heaven - a pretty strong indication to me that they are wrong and immoral.
That is why I do not support the government recognizing gay marriage - because they would be supporting wrong and immoral behavior.

I have a few points. I will try to make this as purely logical as possible. If it matters, which it should not, I am not gay.

Are the majority of people against gay people having certain jobs? Please provide a source for this. Also, majority or large numbers does not mean correct. Remember that plenty of people supported the Nazi party, and plenty of people were against black people having some jobs, but that didn't make those right. If people have a dislike for some group without good reason they should not be allowed to persecute that group. If lots of people were not comfortable having black doctors, would that mean that black people should not be doctors? How is that situation any different if you replace "black" with "gay"?

Next, what, exactly, is wrong with being gay? You say it is morally wrong, but why? For example, adultery is wrong because it causes harm to the person being cheated on. Murder is wrong because it directly physically harms someone. How are gay people a problem, what harm do they do? Here in NYC there are gay people all over the place and they don't cause any problems to anyone or themselves (they seem happy being gay). I am sure plenty of people will cite the bible as to why it is wrong, but the bible provides no logic-based explanation, and itself cannot be proved a reliable source of information.

Feel free to point out any mistakes I have made. The goal here should be to figure out what is right, not to blindly argue your own point, so I am open to argument.

There is positively no reason as to why we shouldn't allow gays, lesbians, bisexuals or transsexuals to do the same exact jobs that straight people do. If you don't like it, then fine, don't see that person.

GoWhiteSox, you are, once again, making a generalization of people believing the same things as you do. For example, just because I personally wouldn't see a male gynecologist, doesn't mean that I should go around making sure that men can not become gynecologists. That is personal choice, not everyone's choice.

Some people may even prefer having a gay/lesbian/transsexual/bisexual whatever in certain situations- possibly for someone to relate to in certain circumstances.

Oh! About that quote that you seem to love to reiterate, "The only categories that are covered are 'Race, Color, Gender, Religion, and National Origin'." I suppose you didn't see my post above where I actually went to the trouble of going to http://merriamwebster.com and looking up the definition of "race." Well, here you go, again.

Main Entry: 3race
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits

Definition 2b states: a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics

I'd consider being straight, gay, lesbian, transsexual or bisexual a kind of person, wouldn't you?

I dont believe there is a god.
And there is nothing wrong with being gay. I do believe it is something youre born with, but to say someone cant get married, and to say their is not real, is absurd, and thats why i never ingage in fights, because some peoples ignorance makes me so, angry.
Excuse me, but not everyone believes what you believe. SOME people don't even believe there IS a "God." Why should we accept this as a reasonable rebuttal?

Zeezle, you missed my point completely. Adultery is not illegal (in most places), neither is swearing (in most places). I am not talking about those things being illegal. I am talking about them being sins (or moral wrongs if you are not a God-believer). If you'll see my example, I illustrate that the vast majority of people have a problem with certain people that routinely commit certain sins (such as swearing, adulterers, etc.) doing certain jobs. It doesn't matter if you say you don't because I do and a lot of people do. You should respect that. On the contrary, God says we should love everyone. I love GAY PEOPLE! I just hope and pray that they could repent of their sins.
Another confusion people have is over people being gay and displaying gay behavior. I know a gay man that got mad because a friend of mine said something to him about kissing his lover in front of some kids. It wasn't because he was kissing another man - it was because it is appropriate for members of any sex to display that kind of affection in that situation.
As far as legal discrimination, as bobby said, there is nothing in any federal or state law (there may be in a few municipal jurisdictions) that restrict discrminiation based on sexual preference. The only categories that are covered are "Race, Color, Gender, Religion, and National Origin". Sorry.

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I heard on the news a while ago that they found a gene in fruit flies that determines hetero and homosexuality. Not that the genes mean they will become gay, just that there's a greater possibility for it. You can't help who you love.

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> Homosexuality is a disorder. It is a sin like
> envy, lust, hate, murder, adultery, taking the
> lord's name in vain, etc. God says we should
> forgive. So forgive, but don't say that there is
> nothing wrong with it.

I'm sorry, but I went to Catholic school, and no where in the Bible does Jesus say "A man should love a woman and it should be no other way" He said love. It doesn't matter who. Just love. That's what this world needs more of. And it truely upsets me that you're trying to breed hate with this. Have you ever liked someone and you just couldn't help it? Like, maybe a bestfriend's girlfriend or boyfriend? And you tried so hard to stop but you just can't? I have a friend right now who's realizing his sexuality and at first, he was disgusted by it before I told him how natural it is. Even animals, with animal instincts, have homosexual encounters. I had two male rabbits who were a little *too much* in love. lol. They now have separate cages.

Both. Some people are just born gay and there are behaviors that researchers have seen in kids that foreshadow their sexual orientation and people say they've felt they have been gay their whole life even if they were previously labeling themselves as straight. Others choose to be gay for whatever reason.

I totally agree. My mind changes all the time on "are people born homosexual/bisexual/transexual or do they choose it?" I usually decide that people are born into it but they take varying amounts of time to realize it.

So I guess this all comes down to the question "Are people born homosexual or do they choose to be gay?" What do you guys think?

I personally think that a person will start to have feelings for a person of the same sex then choose to explore it. So kind of both.

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I'll say it, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING GAY.
And God didn't say or tell you anything. Man did.

GoWhiteSox Wrote:
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> Homosexuality is a disorder. It is a sin like
> envy, lust, hate, murder, adultery, taking the
> lord's name in vain, etc. God says we should
> forgive. So forgive, but don't say that there is
> nothing wrong with it.

Excuse me, but not everyone believes what you believe. SOME people don't even believe there IS a "God." Why should we accept this as a reasonable rebuttal?

> As far as discrmination,
> we don't have a problem letting adulterers be our
> doctors, bus drivers, airline pilots, etc., but
> you wouldn't want an adulterous man to hang out at
> your house with your wife while you were at work
> would you? We don't have a problem letting a
> murderer (that has gotten out of jail) bag our
> groceries, be janitors, etc, but you wouldn't want
> them to teach at your kid's school, would you? We
> don't have a problem letting someone who swears a
> lot be a professional athlete, work construction,
> etc., but you wouldn't want them to babysit your
> children, would you?

Since when did gay people become law breakers? Did I miss something?

But what in the world does sexuality really have anything to do with their job choices in relation to people who need to see them? Nothing. Did you know that it’s against the law to prohibit people from jobs, places to live and stores based on their sexuality and race? Yep, that says something, doesn’t it?

Also, just because someone is gay doesn’t mean that they’re automatically attracted to EVERYONE of that gender. I’m guessing you’re straight, so, are you attracted to EVERYONE of your opposite sex? Just because you are uncomfortable around it, does not mean that everyone feels the same as you do and is certainly not good enough reason to base gay people’s rights on.

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Homosexuality is a disorder. It is a sin like envy, lust, hate, murder, adultery, taking the lord's name in vain, etc. God says we should forgive. So forgive, but don't say that there is nothing wrong with it. As far as discrmination, we don't have a problem letting adulterers be our doctors, bus drivers, airline pilots, etc., but you wouldn't want an adulterous man to hang out at your house with your wife while you were at work would you? We don't have a problem letting a murderer (that has gotten out of jail) bag our groceries, be janitors, etc, but you wouldn't want them to teach at your kid's school, would you? We don't have a problem letting someone who swears a lot be a professional athlete, work construction, etc., but you wouldn't want them to babysit your children, would you?

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Here's what I got in response to GoWhiteSox's post:
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

race
20 entries found for race. The first 10 are listed below.
To select an entry, click on it. For more results, click here.

Main Entry: 3race
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

To me, it sounds like gender SHOULD be included.

See I don't think homosexuals should be lumped into the same group as people with disabilities because then people start thinking that homosexualitiy is some sort of disorder or disease.

Gay's should be treated the same way as everyone else. They should not be descriminated against, just because they feel for the same gender. If you're going to discriminate against someone because they're different than what you would consider 'normal' then why limit yourself to gay people? People with mental and physical disabilities, deformities or syndromes fall under the same 'not considered society's norm' catergory. Why do they deserve to have the same rights and freedoms because they look different, where as you think gays should be different because they feel different?

BTW, I fully belive gay people should be treated the same way as everyone else, as well as people with mental and physical disabilities, deformities and syndromes.

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..But it should be in the constitution.

Enviro_Queen, we keep running into each other. I would like you to point out the text in the constitution that says that "you cannot discriminate because of gender". I can't find it, because I believe it is not there. I am sorry, but bobby is right. Federal law, i.e., the civil rights act, is what made discrimination illegal. However, even that law specifically prohibited discrmination based ONLY on "Race, Color, Gender, Religion, and National Origin." Sexual preference is not included. Sorry.

Here's the constitution for your viewing pleasure
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html

uh, hello?? yes it does

I agree. Though people think gay love is not love, love is love no matter what kind it is..if that made sense..lol. Anyway, I think they should have the right to get married and adopt children just like any heterosexual person can.

Gay people should have the same rights an every one else. The fact is society doesn't like change and they don't like things that are different. Which frankily is stupid. Change is good, Change is progress. I agree gay people should be allowed to adopt a child and get married. People need to realize they are people to. After all you wouldn't want someone to say you couldn't get married to the person you loved.

Looks like someone hasn't read the Bill of Rights...

It does not say in the constitution that you cannot discriminate because of gender. The constitution, in fact, only gives the right to vote to land-owning men. The constitution also does not say this is a free country. That was the declaration of independence.
Gay people should have the right to do anything non-gay people should, such as marrying a member of the opposite sex, adopting a child if they are married to a member of the opposite sex, etc.

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Like you guys I believe a happily married gay couple should be able to adopt children. What is wrong with the same gender getting married? Our Constution says this is a free country. Marriage is not effecting other people so why stop it? It is wrong to stop the happiness of a couple because of gender.

I don't find a problem with gay rights. In the constitution it says that you cannot discriminate because or gender! If two people of the same sex want to get married, how does that effect the rest of the world? It's not hurting us at all, so why shouldn't it be leagal. Please Reply!