i agree we should help our own country but putting yourself before others is selfish.

You definitely don't need to be famous to help others in Africa. I recently heard a speech from a young boy (I think he was about 12). When he was 9 years old, he found his passion to help orphaned children in Africa who's parents had passed away from AIDS. He set up an organization called Hoops of Hope, which came from his love for basketball. This organization has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars and plans to build medical testing labs in Zambia were in action. More information can be found at http://www.hoopsofhope.org/. The moral of the story is that if a young boy who was not famous can create something like this and help thousands of people in Africa, you can too.

pilmboythe2nd: whether you know it or not, we live in a global community. Think about it: where does America get most of its consumer goods? China. We hardly produce anything ourselves anymore, because we rely so much on the global community. And how do many Chinese factories treat their workers? Badly. Many Chinese factory workers labor under harsh conditions for very low pay, just to satisfy the American consumer demand. Since we, apparently, are able to trade beyond borders so easily, then we must also help across borders. Therefore, many NGOs (non-government organizations) are committed to helping across borders.

"We all want to leave the world a better place for our children, for future generations. To do that, we must protect our global environment, working with other countries and communities around the world to find long-term solutions for security and prosperity."
- http://www.partnershipwalk.org/usa/content/faq/index.html#q15

Help others to help yourself.

I am trying to raise money over the summer but I don't know how! I know that alot of famous people donate money but I am really tired of seeing starving people in Africa. I was thinking that if I save at least 10-20$ a week until Nov.20, then I would have about 1460 dollars to donate to millennium promise.

I don't think its just for the rich and famous. I think everyone should care. I get genuinely frustrated with people who don't care. I also think that people should try to solve the problems not just by feeding people but trying to build countries in Africa up to have a stable economy.

Helping Africa is not just for the famous. At my school, the International club raised over 300 hundred dollars that will go towards the education of children of Uganda. Anything can help. You just have to believe.

It seems to me that a lot of people (including celebrities)go to Africa to help.That's great,but they act like it's the ONLY place where people are in need of help.In an interview by Diane Sawyer, she asked a celebrity (I won't say who it was) why she always went all the way to Africa to help people over there, and didn't do much for people here in the USA. I find it interesting that not enough people are aware that here in the US there are many who are impoverished. Why is it that many people outside the US think that this country is the best,and that they can make So much money here? I think life in the US is very difficult. Sure,you have more job opportunities, but even though the pay may be higher,the prices for things like groceries,house payments, are higher too. So things "even out". You get payed a bit more than some other countries,but things cost more too. And that's why there are many impoverished people here,who need help also.I would like to know what YOUR views are on this.
Thanks!

The famous are making their 'donations/adoptions' known because its good media to bring more Americans and other countries in to do the same. There is enough money in the world to get every person out of poverty but we are greedy.

My best friend and I are saving our money to start our own Relief Organization. But we don't know how, I'm attending college at the moment to get my degree in Social Work, I wanted to apply to the UNHCR but that will be a while down the road. I would like to work/volunteer at another relief organization to see what needs to be done and how it works, before I start mine.

We should help in Africa, simply because WE CAN. We are perfectly capable of feeding the hungry both in the U.S. and in Africa. We have more than enough surplus food. Think of all the food that you don't eat when you're full, that just goes to waste. It's a matter of how we choose to act. We know what must be done, we just don't have the perfect plan yet.

People are people, no matter where they live, if you know them, or if they are of a different race than you.

Celebrate differences.

Alot of people on this thread have been criticizing different celebs saying that their reasoning for helping is not in the best interest of Africa; while this may be true, the attention that celebs bring to the region sparks the media's attention and others who can make a difference and truly DO SOMETHING.
For example, Oprah had a special on for the last couple of weeks that showed how she helped several girls gain an educate which may lead them to great success. Her series uplifted so many people's spirits, not only adults and teens, but even little kids. I talked to one 9 year old about the series, and he just wanted to do something to be a blessing to others just as Oprah was to those girls. These celebs inspire us to help others, and whether they do it for "good spotlight" or for good reasons doesn't really matter. We, the common people of America, must make our contributions to help not only Africa, but other poverty-striken nations. So, I say instead of scrutinizing celebs, let's actually do something our ownselves and take a role in making someone else's life better.

Why help Africa? Because they're people. Yes, we do need to help ourselves in this crisis right now, but there are people, more than just Americans, who need help and they need it so much more than us. I've always wondered what happened to Clooney? He really became the 'starter' and getting it into the open, but after a couple weeks he just disappeared into the abyss. We need some more people making it recognizable and getting it on the news again!!!!!!!!!! IDEAS!!!!!!!!!!!!IDEAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IDEAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

As Executive Director of The Sole of Africa and the Mineseeker Foundation, --Admin: Deleted non-news website --, we have "superstar" patrons like Brad Pitt, Richard Branson and Nelson Mandela. BUT the greatest service these "star" names bring is impactful awareness. We need the world to make a difference. A star can give cash, but in the words of Mandela "Making Poverty History is not going to happen by Aid Alone. It comes from education and empowerment". The world needs to hear itself and act in the next second.

When Princess Diana died there were a few people that knew that the issues of landmines, 70-100 million blowing up every 19 minutes, would be destined to leave the front pages. We would not allow her "Star" to die. Her legacy lives on

Helping Africa is indeed for the Famous but it is for me and you and you. We can all make a difference when we feed a hungry child for 12c or when Minessekers clear a mine for $3 and retrun the self sustaining land to the people. My sense is we can all do that.

For those that shirk the responsibility and say "Africa is for the famous'' please refer to Marianne Willaimson's words that Mandela used after 27 years in prison.
IT IS OUR LIGHT NOT OUR DARKNESS THAT MOST FRIGHTENS US. WE ARE ALL BORN TO MANIFEST THE GLORY OF GOD WITHIN US. IT DOESNT SERVE THE WORLD FOR US TO SHRINK, WE ARE ALL BORN TO BE BRILLAINT, TALENTED AND FABULOUS. AS WE LIBERATE OURSELVES FROM OUR OWN FEARS, WE AUTOMATICALLY GIVE PERMISSION FRO OTHERS TO DO THE SAME. (paraprashing)

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Do Something today. Say yes and start moving into the legacy of your life

Charlie

which country are you refering to? cuz, im sure there are people from different countries on here. not trying to offend you or anything, just be careful, for you could offend alot of people.

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why should we go help africa. We need to help ourselves first. I don't see the point it helping another country if half of our people are just starving to death. Those rich people need to stop helping Africa and help our own country. We have people on the streets of New York, La, and all over the country that needs food.

HELP YOUR SELF BEFORE YOU HELP OTHERS

Man, I love these comments!!! OK, giving money is awesome and I have nothing against that at all!!! However, we need to put that money into places that can be most helpful to the people of Africa and in our own country (and Canada). Direct aide is very helpful to people. The money given can provide food, clothing, medical supplies, but it only lasts for so long. We need to put our money in places that can teach the people in the villages how to begin caring for themselves if their land allows them to. Like hunting, fishing, etc. However, much of Africa is a desert. If we could get enough money, maybe we could build a green house down there. Wouldn't that be cool!? We need to put our money in keeping these people from starving, but a portion needs to go to research and other areas to help get these people on their own feet.

Hi George, how are you?

I also happen to be about 150 lbs of flesh and bone. (high metabolism, they say.) I am that way because I'm a part of nature, as we all are.

We wouldn't be here if it weren't for the earth. We're dependent on it, just as the earth is dependent on us.

Yes, people are the priority. But do you think allowing the earth, our home, to be polluted and damaged could be a symptom of a societal selfishness that also is allowing the human family to be damaged in other ways? e.g. Food inequity, lack of sanitation, lack of clean water, etc.

When we talk about our beaten earth, aren't we also talking about our beaten family?

There's a popular saying out there, especially in organic food stores: "Treat the cause, not the symptom."

What do you think is causing some countries to be underdeveloped, and our earth to be underappreciated?

Hmmm.
Two thoughts,
1. I am more like 150lbs of flesh and bone
2. I prefer thinking about how we can do something instead of talking about whether nature is beating us or the other way around.
We don't have much power to change the weather, but do have the power to help people.
So my question is: do you think direct aide is helpful to underdeveloped countries?

Just Know Why--Yes, nature, our planet, is being beaten by our futile and foolish efforts in governing. But, as the article emphasized in its conclusion, relief is near. This relief will come from the needed all-powerful and all-wise Source that you mentioned. You can read more about this in the article "Soon--An End to All Disasters" at [Removed - Religious site]

I would argue that our planet is being affected, but not beaten. On the contrary, our acts of industrialism have led to much destruction. We've modified nature in such a way that it has become an enemy of mass destruction. So, we've opened our own Pandora's box. Our planet will live to see our suffering, but it will live on. Even if it blows up, nature will live on. Time stops for no one, and if there ever came a time in history where the earth was destroyed, nature wouldn't care.

Put in other words: we are beating ourselves, through nature. Nature is punishing us for our folly in technology. There's no way to stop its wrath, no way to save ourselves from its torment. We'll all die eventually, if it were not for the Divine.

Humans are 200 pounds of flesh and bone. Even with our oh-so-important frontal lobes added into the equation, we don't stand a chance against nature's power.

In an article entitled "Natural Disasters and the Human Factor," from the magazine, "Awake!," it begins: "WHEN a car is well maintained, it can provide safe transportation. But that vehicle when abused and neglected can be dangerous. In some respects, the same may be said of planet Earth.

In the opinion of a number of scientists, human-induced changes in earth’s atmosphere and oceans have made our planet a dangerous place by contributing to more frequent and more severe natural disasters. And the future looks uncertain. “We’re in the middle of a large uncontrolled experiment on the only planet we have,” said an editorial on climate change in Science magazine."

It further states: ""Time Asia" points to “global warming, dams, deforestation and slash-and-burn farming” as exacerbating factors in the natural disasters that have plagued South Asia. At the other extreme, deforestation can worsen drought by causing soil to dry out more quickly. In recent years, droughts in Indonesia and Brazil have paved the way for record-breaking fires in forests that are normally too wet to burn. Extreme weather, however, is by no means the only cause of natural disasters. Many lands are subject to disasters that are generated deep inside the earth."

"Quakes can... have lethal aftereffects. For example, on November 1, 1755, a quake flattened the city of Lisbon, Portugal, which had a population of 275,000. But that was not the end of the horror. The quake caused fires and also tsunamis estimated to be up to 50 feet [15 m] high, which raced in from the nearby Atlantic Ocean. All told, the city’s death toll exceeded 60,000.

Again, however, the scale of such disasters hinges to some extent on the human element. One factor is population density in high-risk areas. “Nearly half the world’s big cities now lie in areas of seismic risk,” says author Andrew Robinson. Another factor is buildings—the materials used and the structural quality. The adage, “Earthquakes don’t kill people; buildings do,” is all too often proved true. But what choice do people have when they are too poor to build earthquake-resistant structures?"

The article concludes by stating: "In their World Disasters Report 2004, the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies states that during the past decade, geophysical and weather-related disasters have increased by over 60 percent. “This reflects longer-term trends,” says the report, which was published before the catastrophic December 26 tsunamis in the Indian Ocean. To be sure, if populations in high-risk areas continue to climb and forests continue to decline, there is little cause for optimism.

Additionally, many industrialized countries continue to pump ever more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. According to an editorial in the journal Science, procrastinating on emissions reduction “is like refusing medication for a developing infection: It guarantees that greater costs will have to be paid later.” Pointing to those costs, a Canadian report on disaster mitigation stated: “Climate change can be argued to be the most pervasive and far-reaching environmental issue ever dealt with by the international community.”

At present, however, the international community cannot even agree on whether human activities contribute to global warming, let alone how to manage it. This situation calls to mind the Biblical truth: “It does not belong to man . . . even to direct his step.” (Jeremiah 10:23) Yet, as we shall see in the following article, the situation is not hopeless. In fact, the present woes, including the stormy conditions in human society, add to the evidence that relief is near."

Yes, nature, our planet, is being beaten by our futile and foolish efforts in governing. But, as the article emphasized in its conclusion, relief is near. This relief will come from the needed all-powerful and all-wise Source that you mentioned. You can read more about this in the article "Soon--An End to All Disasters" at [Removed - Religious site]

Heavenly government would be nice. Like I said, as finite individuals, our leadership skills would also be finite. As far as nature being beaten...could you elaborate some more on that? Cause it seems like its beating us, for its all we can do to pull ourselves together after disasters like tsunamis and hurricanes. We can't stop it, we can't make it rain when our crops need it, and though we have irrigation systems, some countries do not. So...yea. I'm confused =)

Yes, we do need something that exists beyond nature.

Nature is not the enemy, however. Nature is a beaten victim. The fallacy of human government has been an enemy against nature and against human life. We clearly do not have the ability to rule ourselves.

A greater enemy, even, is a spiritual influence, a spiritual enemy. I know his name to be Satan, a powerful yet limited liar.

I look forward to a peaceful, healed earth underneath a government that is taken out of human hands. It is a heavenly government. It belongs to one whose name I know as Jehovah.

Yes, that is where our hope lies.

My bad...I guess when you said "family" I imagined dormant, relying on each other, and always understanding, which is impossible for finite beings. Your discription of "family path" appeals to me, but I wouldn't call it family. I would call it army, fighting for a cause with all of their hearts because they care about it. Duty, Honor, Country, Fellow Man.

Maybe I'm just weird that way.

And no, nature is not communism, but nature is not going to do much more than profide food for our bellies, air for our lungs, and disasters to wreck our plans. Our hope lies not with nature, but something above it. Nature is finite, and the problem of Global Poverty is rooted in it: nature is the enemy. The droughts that starve millions in Africa, for example. Nature is attacking, and is winning. We can predict it to some extent, but not control it. So, our hope lies not with man alone, either. It lies with something infinite, and if something is infinite, it must be divine. All-powerful, and all-wise. Something that controls nature, and something that cares for mortal beings such as ourselves. That is where our hope lies.

What we must do is pray to our God. Jesus will be here one day to save us all from poverty and sicknes. Just belive in his name and everything will be okay. Amen

We all breathe the same air in common. Is nature a communist organization?

I agree that unity is necessary for any progress. When I think of unity I think of a mass of people working together for a cause, with love as their motivation. When I think of that I think of a family.

When I imagine that family on the move, I see a family path.

Unfortunately, we do have to imagine that family, don't we?

Why?

JustKnowWhy Wrote:
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> It's not about communism, it's about fairness.
>
> It's not about money. It's about not having the
> rights to basic daily survival. A global family
> is divided and beaten.
>
> "A single mother in Ghana, Africa works 2 jobs, 16
> hours a day, 7 days a week, to earn the $200 it
> costs to send her son to school. At night she
> sells oranges. Each orange = 2 cents. She might
> sell 50. 2 cents x 50 = 1
> dollar."---www.worldonfire.ca
>
> You wrote, "We're all human, therefore, we all
> deserve the same amount of respect as everyone
> else."
>
> That is very true. Yet there are still people
> dying because they don't have any food, even
> though there is more than enough food to go around
> worldwide. Where is the respect in that?
>
> A social ladder only climbs to corruption and
> injustice. We don't need a social ladder. We
> need a family path.
>
> Just Know Why
>
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Umm...ya. Communsim is, by definition a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common. How would the family path help? It is human nature to judge each other, which doesn't make it right. And, if you recognize this quote, "I'm afraid currency is the currency of the realm." =) Currency forms the social ladder. There is no changing that. Yes, the people deserve respect, but the problem is much bigger than simple starvation. There's the government, the droughts, overpopulation, AIDS, malaria...it's a much bigger problem, so it needs be greeted with a much bigger solution. People are dying left and right, and if anyone is to succeed in helping Africa, they're going to need to be united, picking the problems off one at a time until they are no longer problems.

After you watch the video, please determine what is preventing an equal and balanced world from becoming.

And if we can't determine this, then what are we accomplishing? Do the poor need more money, or does the system need to be changed?

Just Know Why

I heard a theory on why the global system is so extreme. It has to do with geography: some places can't support the same crops and animals as others. So, the places with the more productive crops and animals progressed faster with technology. And with technology, came wealth.

Though I don't think the global system can be changed, I do think that we can make a difference among the developing countries. It just depends on how many will help. The more help, the more improvement. And if it is huge improvement that we're striving for, then we need numbers of dedicated people. That's why we need to raise our voices and be heard, for in numbers will come the best results.

gweiner Wrote:
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> It seems like you have to be famous or incredibly
> rich to help people and expecially entire villages
> in African. We keep hearing stories of children
> being adopted and millions being given to support
> different villages in need.
>
> Do you think this is a passing trend or is it here
> to stay?
>
> Do these stories inspire you to do something?
> What would make you want to donate to help a
> village in Africa?

SO MUCH CAN BE DONE!!! Yes, much money is needed to go to africa hands on, but there is so much more! With so much of the adult population dying from AIDS, there is no one to care for the children. So, try a child sponsor ship program. For around $30 a month, you can clothe and feed a child and send them to school so that they can get jobs. You don't even have to do it on your own, do with with a group of friends, you're family...so much can be done! Never lose hope that Africa will be forgotten! Celebs are people who care for other people at times, and we can be people who care for other people too! If they quiet down, if it is a passing trend, I will not be silent. Does that make me significant in any way? No. But I care about this, and I am a very passionate person. I would put my heart and soul into this cause, so that others would help too. Who's with me?

yeah, i think that would be a very good idea, but my concern is that most of those countries govt's are horrible and would just end up taking all the crops that the people worked hard for.
if we could solve that problem, i think it would work a lot better.

I don't think that helping villages in Africa is a trend at all, or at least a short-term trend. I've just recently taken Environmental Science where we learn about all the different ideas and opinions about the world such as its carrying capacity, and books such as The Population Bomb. While learning about these things though and how many scientist believe that all the pain and suffering humans endure in Africa is really beneficial to the world as a whole, it makes me believe even more helping as much as POSSIBLE. However, in my opinion, just donating tons and tons of money and adopting children from there isn't enough. Yes, indeed it does help those people individually, and donating the money to buy vaccinations and food helps vilalges for a short while, but I think that what some scientist have tried doing in the past is most beneficial to people in Africa. Some time in the 80's, a group of scientists developed the idea that maybe instead of just giving Africans some food for a while, which in turn gave the women more strength, eventually leading to more reproduction and even more people to starve and suffer, they could take a village and show them how to grow their own crops, produce their own food, live a little more hygeinically, and basically jsut learn to live on their own. I'm not completely sure about hte exact statistics for all of this, but I know that the scientists were successful in their first attempts.
Basically, I think that helping out in Africa or anywhere for that matter as much as possible is not a trend, or if it is, then it shouldn't be. And it shouldn't also just be for the famous.
That is all,
cnrios

fine fine fine. I will find a better article next time. That one just summed up my feelings on the issue. But I do respect the website and I will try better next time. Anyways, I think it was inconsiderate of Madonna to practically ignore the process of adopting in Malawi and just take the child (who btw still was part of a family) and simply walk away. Can she really not find an orphan to adopt? Could she not of hypothetically adopted a whole orphanage instead of spoiling one child? This is another sad example of a celebrity abusing their power.

Wingus,
sorry to delete website, please find better article, not an editorial on the issue.

I think a better way to support Malawai would be to donate to our raising a village campaign. And NOT going to the village, taking a child, and bringing global embarrassment and guilt to a family and village that take care of their own children due to extreme poverty.
Maybe that's just me though...

www.dosomething.org/causes/global_extreme_poverty

I agree with Brookelyn0404. This may not seem like a good thing now this fad, but if we turn it our way, then we may just be on to something. I'm going to pick on Madonna for a sec. She adopted a child who still had parents and spent over $1000 on toys in the first few days she had the child. Something is wrong with that. Either she could of chosen a child who had no relatives left and instead of spending tons of money on one child, she could of still adopted the child, but also sponsored the village from which he/she came.

It would be much better if people actually understood that poverty is real and money needs to be spread rather than spent on a single child or family. But at least celebs are using their influencial status in society to spread awareness. Maybe adopting children is a little drastic and generally unhelpful to the problem as a whole, but several celebrities are helping out in the AIDS awareness campaign through ALDO and through various other organizations.

Maybe we could try to get celebs to sponsor a village or do something helpful to more people insted. Fads can be a wonderful thing, we just need to utilize the "I want to help Africa" fad into something that actually helps.

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back to Just know why, i have no clue, but somehow we have to change the world's perspective on this whole ordeal

I only have one thing to say............Wow................

I just found this article after my post. It is hilarious.

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getting back to gweiner's question . . .

In a way I think it is a passing trend. To see change of long distance value I would expect more people of my age to start opening their eyes. I brought in a documentary about child soldiers in northern Uganda to my English class. While I thought the video might inspire people to help and lend a hand in bringing attention to the issue of child soldiers and night commuters in Uganda, many people in my class simply fell asleep or talked their way through the movie. Personally that just showed the level of ignorance today, even when something is staring someone in the face they simply chose to disconnect.

About things like Madonna's Mawali adoption. I think what Madonna should have done was sponsor a village instead of taking a child away from their father. Or she could of adopted a child whose parents died of AIDS. But due to the fact that she decided to adopt a child who still had parents she not only did nothing to help the situation but instead caused more pain for the family whose son is now in a strangers hands. I heard she reportedly spent $1000 dollars on toys the first day . . . how many schools could that build or food could that buy for that same boy's village?

I would want to donate because it is a good cause. Personal stories also add a individual connection which would be cool as well.

Your statement that "this will probably never happen," in regards to people's perspectives changing for the benefit of the world, is very important.

Some would say that statement is cynical. Others would say it's realistic. Others would say nothing.

How do you think we can distinguish between the cynical and the real?

Just Know Why
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you no what needs to happen is a change in people's perspective. all people think about is money and war . but, we need to think about how we can help this world and the people in it. of course that will probabaly never happen

So, then, what needs to happen in this world for fairness and balance to prevail?

Just Know Why
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I'm sorry, I think I was unclear. I don't want the social ladder. I don't like it at all. We're all people, and we all deserve to get the same amount of care as everyone else. For example: we need good doctors to help the starving and people in poverty, but most only help the ones who can pay their bills. We need to give everyone equal treatment as far as food and health. We do need a family path. We need to show the world that these people deserve the same amount of care and health as every one else on earth. Fairness is the key, as you said.

It's not about communism, it's about fairness.

It's not about money. It's about not having the rights to basic daily survival. A global family is divided and beaten.

"A single mother in Ghana, Africa works 2 jobs, 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, to earn the $200 it costs to send her son to school. At night she sells oranges. Each orange = 2 cents. She might sell 50. 2 cents x 50 = 1 dollar."---www.worldonfire.ca

You wrote, "We're all human, therefore, we all deserve the same amount of respect as everyone else."

That is very true. Yet there are still people dying because they don't have any food, even though there is more than enough food to go around worldwide. Where is the respect in that?

A social ladder only climbs to corruption and injustice. We don't need a social ladder. We need a family path.

Just Know Why

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JustKnowWhy, that sounds more like communism. We don't need the rich to be less rich or the poor to have more money. People receive money in different amounts due to the type of work and how much they work. What we need to make our planet balanced is to see beyond the social status, intelligence, and amount of money everyone receives and go deeper. What's the biggest, most valuable common thing every person in this world has. We can all feel, make choices, etc. We're all human, therefore, we all deserve the same amount of respect as everyone else no matter where we belong on the social ladder. We need to find all 'round respect for everyone, not give out money or restrict the millionaires.

The one thing we all need to realize is that we all have a power to change someone's life for the better. Yes, people are adopting and saving whole villages because of the money they have. Money takes a big part in power, yet the people who don't have as much money to give, need to still realize they can help. Such as the project Operation Christmas Child. You fill a shoe box and you come in contact with families in different countries and you realize how much you help them just by giving them little things (for us). To them, a toothbrush could be a miracle keeping their children from losing all their teeth. You don't need to be wealthy to do greatness.

Please watch this video by musical artist Sarah McLachlan:

www.worldonfire.ca

Imagine what it would be like if the gap between rich and poor didn't exist.

What if we lived in a world where no one was allowed to become too rich, and no one was allowed to become too poor?

The rich wouldn't have to set up charities or make donations to the poor, because everyone would be rich. Everyone would be thriving in an equal and balanced world.

After you watch the video, please determine what is preventing an equal and balanced world from becoming.

And if we can't determine this, then what are we accomplishing? Do the poor need more money, or does the system need to be changed?

Just Know Why

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