Gays and Christians. Here it is plain and simple. If you really call yourself a Christian then you should love everyone...Gay's included. Jesus wouldn't have bashed Gay's. he loves them just as much as a straight person. Bottome line...God gave all of us a free will to choose lifestyles. But most of all, he gave us the freewill to choose him or not. If we decide to Choose God then he wants us to truly follow him. IF we are truly following God then we are reading and obiding by his word (the bible). The bible is the inspired word of God. Yes written physically by humans. But inspired by God himself. I have an uncle who is Gay. I beleive that the bible is very clear about Homosexualty. Some topics are not so clear in the bible and can be hard to determine. But Homosexuality is very, very clearly destestable by God.

Now let me be clear. I don't agree with my Uncles lifesytle. But i also don't bash him in any way. When i see him and his partner i hug both of them. I truly love them and they are good hard working productive people in our society. I however, do not agree with thier lifestyle and think it's wrong in the eyes of God. I'm not a better person then they are. I have my own sins too. But i have the hope of salvation through my acceptance of Jesus Christ and what he did for all of us on the cross. Life for all us Christian or non christian, Gay or Straight is a journey that simply doesn't last long. What are we doing with our time?

Are we getting to know and experience God or continuing to deny the truth so we can justify our own lives? God loves every single human being. But that doesn't mean he loves your sin.

The bible is clear. Leviticus 18:22 - Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is destestable.

Other verses...Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:18-32; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 Timothy 1:9-11

You can be Gay and believe in God. But you cannot be Gay or Straight and claim the bible is the devine word of God and then take out parts that don't fit you. That's like saying you know its not really raining today when it's pooring outside. You can't change the truth just because you don't want it to be raining. Christianity is a way of life not a religion. It's not a buffet that you just take what you like and what feels good.

We all need to search deeper than that and get to the root of our sins. Try to repair and end our sinful behaviors (not just talking about Gay's here but everyone). If you are a straight person and your sleeping around unmarried, looking at porn, etc you are no different. Actually i know many Gay people who are kinder and more loving to others than straight people. However, that doesn't free them from the bondage sin of homosexuality that bible so clearly is against.

If you look historically through the bible you'll see that Sodom and Gomora where destroyed by God. There are many characteristics of why that area became so corrupt. Much the same as the United States is today. Homosexuality, greed, and most of pushing God our of everything. His Grace is unbelieveable but it will only go so far.

First of all, who said that your religious beliefs should apply to the lives of others people? You can live by the rules by your religion but can respect the decisions other people make in their lives. Second, you need to fall back on the idea that children need to be raised by a father and a mother. Children need to be raised by a parent who can love and support them. Their sexual orientation has nothing to do with their ability to love their child. Who are you to say, that straight parents will do a better job of parenting than gay parents? are you serious? As for the diseases and complications? I'm trying to decide whether you are just ignorant or crazy. I am not a religious person and I personally think most religions are BS, but i can be respectful. However, I have no tolerance of people who use their religion to bash and completely disrespect other people.

GO FIND GOD and dont run away from him he LOVES YOU!

So why do homophobics think that being gay is just about the sex? Hello? there are other things in a relationship

If being gay is so wrong, why wasn't it a commandment? By the way, the Bible was written by man (room for error) God didn't write it

Why is it ok for heterosexuals to marry multiple times ( treat marriage like it's not sacred) but a glbt whose been with a partner longterm can't get married?

We're "sick, twisted freaks" You fuckin hypocrite!!! You talk about God, the bible and all this religious stuff and you speak like a Nazi!!You obviously never READ the bible!! besides none of your ignorant words sound like a follower of God, but a follower of the AntiChrist! You really need to get couseling regarding you stong hate issues. It's people like you who raise or children to bully and hate.

Nobody is " born gay" You think that it's a choice? I lived my life for 35 years as a " straight" woman because of people like you. I was very unhappy. Yes, I go to church, I believe in God. I also believe that God loves me. He created me and I AM NOT EVIL!! I also didn't see anything about anyone " denying God's existence in the above article. Obviously ,you take upon yourself to play God and judge others. If you read the bible like you say I think there's a verse that says. " Those of you without sin cast the 1st stone."
Anyways, we are not bothing anyone, we are people just like everyone else. For the world would be a boring place if everyone were the same right?

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... "you gays are selfish"...

-last time i checked christians were the ones trying to keep gays away from rights that everyone else has because it will warp their fragile little minds. christians can't stand to see change even if it doesn't effect them in anyway. Ummm yeah, thats pretty fucking selfish.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_fAYl4Th4

..."disease"...

-being gay is not a disease. have you ever taken a biology course? obviously not. i bet that's what your church told you though an that is good enough! praise god and all of his hatred!

http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/children/teens/sexuality/739.html

..."Don't you think theres a reason why a child needs a mother and father in there lives?"...

-NO! Obviously not. There are plenty of families where there are a mother and a father and the children are neglected an abused. It's okay if these children are abused as long as they have a male and a female role model? Sounds logical. I wonder what all that unwarranted violence could be teaching them.

..."Do you want to bring ridicule harassment to your kids through there peers?"...

-The only reason these kids would be ridiculed is because of having parents like you who would be intolerant and teach them terrible things about different ways to live lives. Then you will teach them to hate because you are scared of diversity. Which sounds worse an intolerant father with a submissive mother teaching hate to the family through "God's Love" or a family with two parents who love their child very much, teaching them to be open minded and love everyone, regardless of how they do things differently?

-The rest i cannot comment on much because it talks about the devil and how gays are going to hell. there is not hell there is no evil. there is right and wrong and we can sure try to do right by each other. i'm sick of christians pushing everyone around. I love you gays!!! i love you so much LGBT. These people are so wack!

HAZEKAMP-meet your best friend, Shirley Phelps-Roper:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-STpW7jarrs

You should be ashamed.

Hazekamp:
For one, you gays are selfish and you really dont understand the complications your "disease" causes. Think about your kids. Don't you think theres a reason why a child needs a mother and father in there lives? Do you want to bring ridicule harassment to your kids through there peers? What do u care huh as long as u can fulfill ur evil desires.
Lastly, nobody was "born gay" God doesnt make the things he declares evil, your the ones that let it take control of you. You can deny the existance of god and the truth all u want but i really suggest u shut ur mouths and open ur minds about the bible if u must make ur demented comments, READ IT!!!! u might learn something better than the world teaches u. If this is the way your gonna live I hope you enjoy the consequences of your decisions because where ur going after this life will not be so enjoyable.

For one, you gays are selfish and you really dont understand the complications your "disease" causes. Think about your kids. Don't you think theres a reason why a child needs a mother and father in there lives? Do you want to bring ridicule harassment to your kids through there peers? What do u care huh as long as u can fulfill ur evil desires.
Lastly, nobody was "born gay" God doesnt make the things he declares evil, your the ones that let it take control of you. You can deny the existance of god and the truth all u want but i really suggest u shut ur mouths and open ur minds about the bible if u must make ur demented comments, READ IT!!!! u might learn something better than the world teaches u. If this is the way your gonna live I hope you enjoy the consequences of your decisions because where ur going after this life will not be so enjoyable.

OMG
Submitted by bballfan22 on Sun, 2008-07-06 16:02.

Im so sick of all these 'heteros' bashing GLBT individuals. I'm sick of hearing about gays not being able to reproduce. My partner and i have two beautiful little girls and are hoping for a little boy with our next child. It is totally possible for GLBT individuals to have children. Whether it be with a surrogate mother or a sperm donor. The GLBT couple should be allowed the same rights as a straight couple seeing as how we are able to do everything that they can do. It's all the same. My children are very proud of thier mommies. My children consider themselves very lucky because there are children that do not have a mother. They have two. We have family game nights, we attend school functions, we volunteer as chaperones on field trips, the list can go on and on. We are a family, we may not be 'normal' by societies standards but heck, what is 'normal'. Everyone deserves the right to be happy. Being gay isn't something anyone chooses to be. We are just born gay.

Congradulations. Obviously, these morons have nothing to say worth hearing. It's complete psycho brainwashing, you will get nothing more than circular arguements from this idiots. However, i'm sure you know this very well already.

Im so sick of all these 'heteros' bashing GLBT individuals. I'm sick of hearing about gays not being able to reproduce. My partner and i have two beautiful little girls and are hoping for a little boy with our next child. It is totally possible for GLBT individuals to have children. Whether it be with a surrogate mother or a sperm donor. The GLBT couple should be allowed the same rights as a straight couple seeing as how we are able to do everything that they can do. It's all the same. My children are very proud of thier mommies. My children consider themselves very lucky because there are children that do not have a mother. They have two. We have family game nights, we attend school functions, we volunteer as chaperones on field trips, the list can go on and on. We are a family, we may not be 'normal' by societies standards but heck, what is 'normal'. Everyone deserves the right to be happy. Being gay isn't something anyone chooses to be. We are just born gay.

have you read the bible? apparently not. when has jesus ever shown the anger towards someone different, that you just have? NEVER. he did not judge. I am not religious, and for good reasons a) a it's a bunch of fictional crap and b) you retards you call yourselves christians have no idea how to act christ-like and think you are better than everyone who isn't. i act more christ-like than you and i'm not christian. telling people to kill themselves because they don't understand the bible-yeah buddy, sounds like you are another podunk retard christian who hasn't graduated kindergarten, congrats.

people are so ignorant when it comes to the bible. homosexuality is a sin you ppl werent "born that way" your just sick twisted freaks with no morals and no control over your evil lustful desires. Let the devil have you cause socity dont. Util you get the hint get used to living with a target on ur forehead.

Also try acually reading the whole bible and understanding it before making urself look stupid. If you cant understand it, that probly means not even god wants you so kill yourselves already.

well if you look far below i already had someone tell me that verse and go ahead and look at my reply. And i never said God hated Gays but they will not enter the Gates of Heaven unless they ask for forgiveness and stop what ever wrong the are doing it says that in the Bible.

AIt seems as though i always find my friends in the LCBT community, completely unintentionally. Everyone in this beautiful community i hold so dear to my heart deserves all the same marital rights as a heterosexual. You Christians wanna know what? Because it doesn't effing matter what your ancient fictional book with too many cooks says. That book is discrimnatory against so many different types of people and it encourages hate-read the first testament. And for fiction, it isn't even very good. ANYWAY off track. Prohibiting marriage is VERY unconstitutional. It discriminates against men an women-because of their sex......which is illegal.......which is why the california supreme court just legalized it-they realized it was unconstitutional to outlaw it. Anyway, i love all of you gay, lesbian, fabulously awesome people.

don't take the bible out of context, that verse means nothing by itself.

Proof for me that God doesn't hate gays
Submitted by Athiven on Sun, 2008-06-22 19:10.

Bible (KJV), Samuel 2, 1

26.I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.

And King David is the one that God keeps regretting in all the rest of the bible after that...

Look and research what our country principles were founded on and who founded them. One which is the sanctity between a man and a woman. Period! If you have a society that has something other than this, YOU WILL destroy the society, simply because you will have NO WAY to reproduce or create healthy offspring. Why? Because we were created to be unified between a man and a woman. If this was not the way Gods creation was designed to begin with, then a man and a man would be able to bear children, or a woman and a woman would be able to produce offspring (children). So, isn't it kind of strange then, that only an man and woman can create kids? Hello! It has nothing to do with a religion. God is not a religion. He wants YOU. He wants to have a personal relationship with YOU! That is the whole reason why he created you, was to Love Him. Don't you get it. He Loves You!!!!! Yes, YOU! Look, check this out. Just try this. You have NOTHING to loose. Just find some place quite. Just try speaking to God. Say: God, if your so real, then come into my heart and reveal yourself to me. Let me feel your love. If your son Jesus died for me, then send your Holy Spirit to move in me.
Look, if I'm wrong, then you haven't lost a thing. You can live your life as you enjoy. As I said, you have nothing to loose, but a few minutes of your time and thoughts. I make one thing clear. Just because someone is a Christian, doesn't make them perfect. We all have issues and we all live in a fallen world. We all have sins. I'm praying for you. Oh, by the way. God loves you, and know everything about you.

you guys are talking about gays and religion, i live in the USA.
people think gay marriage shouldnt be allowed bc of so called "christianity."

if you read about the laws of USA you will see in written words " USA, freedom of religion." not to sound stereotypical, but when someone shoves all this christian beliefs down your throat remember what the USA law states...

its not about religion its about humans and being equal.

listen to yourselves speak and stop making your selfves look so ignorant.

yeah it bugs the heck out of me when people say that i am the one telling if their going to heaven or hell but i am not. If people really read the Bible they would know what God says about gays. And were you being sarcastic, or for real?

your so right and thank you your one of the few people whose comment has not offended me

God is the creator he is the one that tells you where you can go which is either heaven or hell, not me. And you know what i think that its okay and good that they can't get married at a church because God makes the choice and if you have a problem with it then i would find out who God really is because apparently you don't know.

I believe that everybody should have the right to love whoever they want. Who are we to tell someone that their feelings about another person will cause them to go to hell? I have many gay/lesbian friends and they are all great people who deserve to make their own choices in life. I would hate to be in the situation where whoever I choose to love will be critized or even denied from a church when we want to get married. I just believe that everyones love interests are none of the world's business and shouldnt be monitored or made fun of. I thought that every American had basic rights? To tell a couple that they cannot get married because the American people dont agree is ridiculous. EVERY PERSON IN AMERICA SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET MARRIED TO WHOEVER THEY WANT!

I do not beleaive in being gay. I dont think thats how god wants it to be, but maby im wrong. I'm not saying i dont like people who are gay, im just don't agree with some of their beleaifes. I am frinds with tons of people who are gay and it doesn't effect our friendship. It's all about acceptiance.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV). My whole point is that they will not go to heaven unless they ask for Gods forgiveness and stop doing what ever they are doing.

Bible (KJV), Samuel 2, 1

26.I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.

And King David is the one that God keeps regretting in all the rest of the bible after that...

Why is it ok to be gay please give me 20 good reasons.

Please Read this and tell me what it means to you.
Genesis 1:26-28
26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Gay rights are such a controvercial issue, and I can't seem to grasp why that is. Who are you to tell someone that they can't be with someone that they are in love with. Love is love no matter what. It is unfortunate that so many people have such a closed mind on this topic. I feel that some people that are against gay rights find themself to be better than gays. You're a person no matter what your sexual orientation, and I find it insulting that people are so closed minded.

i dont hate gays. i just dont think that female and female should be togher or male and male, i dont think thats right. yea u might be born with it but u cant keep on practicing it u have to change ur ways if god wanted ays he would have it that female and female could have a baby or male and male! i think it just should stick to male and female!

why does it bother you if someone likes the same sex?is it you or your life?is it your problem? I'm not gay or bi.I'm totally strait.But i think if someone is gay or bi leave them alone.who said that it HAD to be guy and girl.Hey if you like a girl and your a girl thats got nothing to do with anyone but you.You should be able to love anyone.why does it bother if its about someone else who half the time you don't know but hate cause thier gay or lez or bi thats up to them.Just leave them alone because their HUMANS too.What if it was that god made evryone like the same sex?Then if a guy and a girl liked each other what everyone would have a problem with it?Just let people be who they are and thats what you should like them for not if they are bi gay or lez.Its called FREEDOM!

I'm Sarah I'm 15 years old and I'm from NY.
Gay rights should be aloud.
Who do you people think you are to judge?
To tell someone they can't love same sex
I have news for those people, You're prescious
god made us that way. Under no fucking circumstances
do you straight bashers have the right to try to
stop us from falling in love with a guy or girl.
I'm A FIFTEEN year old and I'm bi-sexual.
Yeah I like girls but It's not new,
it's not like over this started and evolved over the 20-30yrs.
It's just that now it's coming out and people don't like it.
You can deal with it.
Not your decision to tell gays,lesbians and bi's that
they can't love same sex.
I'm sorry for speaking my mind,being so blunt but
It's a fact,a fact of life.
DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!

Strict isn't the word, DISCRIMINATION is.

The funny thing about it is that the girls she allowed in the bathroom could be themselves closest GLBT. You simply can't not rid a school, let alone region from GLBT members of society. Just like you can't correctly state the EXACT numbers of GLBT in America.

Well as I can tell, with 'rights' regarding public schools which are funded by the Government, students are protected by the nations laws for students. However, to my understanding with 'religious' insitutions or schools do not have to follow regulations, guidelines, or laws set forth for public students or teachers. If they chose to set rules regarding or related to their beliefs, they can.

The following is from ACLU site:

"I’ve had kids at school call me names, leave nasty notes on my locker, and threaten to beat me up just because I’m gay. What about harassment of lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender students at school?

Public schools most likely have a constitutional obligation to treat abuse of LGBT students—and students who are still questioning their sexual identity—as seriously as any other abuse. As one federal court ruled, school officials violated a gay student’s right to equal protection when they didn’t do anything about serious harassment he received from other students because he was gay.

As an LGBT student, you are also protected from harassment and discrimination at school by:

Title IX in federal law: Anti-gay harassment of a sexual nature is illegal

Pennsylvania Code: Section 4.4 of the code says that discrimination because of sexual orientation isn't allowed in PA educational programs.

School District Policies: Some school districts, like Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, have policies specifically outlawing discrimination based on sexual orientation. The School District of Philadelphia also has a policy to assure a “safe, equitable and positive school experience” for lesbian and gay students. Check with your school district for its policies.

What should I do if I experience anti-gay abuse at school?

You should follow the same steps we listed in the “Sexual Harassment” section. Report any abuse (from name-calling to physical assault) to the school principal. Don’t just tell a teacher or school counselor because it’s the principal who is the legally liable school official.

You should also keep a list of all the anti-gay incidents at your school. Record your school’s response to them.

The principal didn't help me at all. Now what do I do?

You can do the following:

Contact the superintendent of the school district or the school board and get help from them.

Tell other groups—like LGBT support groups—about the problem. That way you can focus attention on the school's failure to protect you, and get some outside support.
Contact the ACLU and other civil rights organizations for help.

The bottom line is: Officials have a responsibility to make their schools safe for all students, gay, straight, and everyone in between."

I would contact your School Officials, and if needed make it known by the police, and local newspapers. When you bring to light discrimination, it usually forces school boards to address it via community/school meetings etc.

Please go to the following link for more info.: http://www.aclupa.org/education/studentsrightsmanual/equalprotection/lgbtstudents.htm

Other helpful links is www.soulforce.org and www.hrc.org

Love is love. No matter if it's a man with a man, a woman with a woman, or a man with a woman. Love is a feeling that you have for another. So it's legal for some one to marry their second cousin but a man cannot marry another man. Gays and Lesbians have every right to marriage as a straight couple does. People try to use excuses to go against it. Like for example the bible, Leviticus says "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." But in Leviticus it also says many other things that are detestable, it also states that building buildings and planting things are also abominations. So really there is no reason to put a law against it. People really need to get over themselves and dtop being so steriotypical.

love always,
Becky

i think that everyone should have the rights that they was born with and should not be discriminated against because of their preferences for things. i personaly beleive that we all have our rights givin to us by the constitution of the united states and our civil rights as granted to us by the constitution, so whether we like men women or both we are still american citizens and should be allowed to go out and take advantage of the oppritunities givin to us and not be discriminated against.

People who are homosexual are human. They have rights just like striaght people, so they should be able to marry man to man, women to women. Besides who are we to tell some one that they can not be gay? Who are we to tell some one that being gay is wrong?

love everyone,
jakele

I've been going to a Catholic School since I was in first grade. Once I hit Freshman year, I was exposed to lots of things that I had never dealt with before in middle school, including meeting people who were gay. Although it came as a shock at first to finally meet someone gay, I made friends with a lot of them and have since then befriended and supported many gay students throughout High School. I transfered to another Catholic HS in Sophomore year, and I noticed a few things that I didn't like. I understand that the Catholic religion is not a supporter of homosexual activity. But when does that become an extreme? Isn't there some kind of line to draw, especially when it influences a school that anyone is allowed to attend? The principal at my school is extremely strict when it comes to behavior of the students, because we're representing a "business enviornment"...but what about not allowing a lesbian girl to use the bathroom with straight students? Junior year, she wouldn't permit one of my good friends to use the restroom because she was afraid it would upset the straight girls while they were changing for volleyball practice....in the stalls, with closed doors. She forced her to go to the basement bathroom. On top of that, she has made it a rule that no one is allowed to attend our prom with a person of the same sex, even if they are just a FRIEND, because it promotes homosexuality. Rainbow colors aren't permitted, either. Isn't this a violation of rights?

I noticed that it has HRC listed as an organization in support, and that inspired me to post the lyrics to this song, because I think they're important.

Rich, White, & Gay by Adhamh Roland
http://riotfolk.org/member_music_lyrics.php?id=5&song_id=232

well, what do you see of the gay mainstream?
queer eye, queer folk—it’s queer t.v.
and you say ‘oh my goodness look how far we’ve come’
but that all depends on where you’re coming from

chorus:
‘cause when you say ‘we’
i think i know what you mean
it’s that rich, white, gay and lesbian
so called community

it’s the folks who wanna end housing discrimination
but ban youth shelters in the name of beautification
who think their partners should have health coverage to share
but don’t give a damn ‘bout universal health care
who fight in the courts for tougher hate crimes
but think the racist system is working just fine
‘cause it’s o.k. to haul off to jail the homeless and the youth
people of color, trannys, sex workers too
as long as it’s not people like you
then you can maintain you’re agenda
that benefits the few

it’s a gay mainstream that votes anti-poor
as long as civil unions are accounted for
they don’t seem to see their obvious connections
between race, class, ability, and gender expression
they don’t think of the black drag queens that battled for us all
hurlin’ high heels at the cops outside of stonewall
when they vote to put more pigs on the streets
and never hear about the people that they beat

‘cause the human rights campaign is sponsored by nike and coors
who violate everybody’s rights but yours
they claim to advocate for queers and trannys
and then don’t write them into nondiscrimination policies
they even endorsed a republican candidate
thanks h.r.c. for bein’ my advocate

it’s the log cabins, the don’t ask don’t tell
it’s consumerisms choice demographic to sell
it’s climbin’ up the ladder leavin’ everyone behind
it’s the best pecking order capitalism can find
it’s the upwardly mobile that want to marry
it’s the strict butch/femme dichotomy
it’s queers who equate true equality
with straight privilege like shows on t.v.
as long as the butt of the jokes are still based on misogyny
and the lead roles are straight in reality
it’s a slap in the face to kioshi (web link)
and every other liberation warrior since the sixties
and anyone ever arrested on your street
cuz they might lower the value of your property

last chorus
when you say we
i think i know what you mean
it’s that rich, white, gay and lesbian so called....
well it’s not the trannys, it’s not the dykes
it’s not anyone who’s not white
it’s not the whores, not the fags
not asians, latinas, natives, or blacks
it’s not the homeless, the deaf or blind
it’s not fake cocks or chests that bind
it’s not the fat folks, or the freaks
or any combination of any sort of identity

except that rich, white, gay
that rich, white, and gay
that rich, white, gay ...
...and sometimes lesbian
so called community

I believe there should be gay marriage. If there is women to men marriage why cant there be men to men or women to women marriage. The point is that you cannot bring down a social group. You have to encourage them and people can't help it. Humans are Humans and Aliens are Aliens. Gays are humans so they should have the right to do anything. 1 Ammendment Freedom of speech and religion. So what's wrong with that. Your life will be awesome as long as people get there legals rights and that's one thing everybody needs as humans. It never been banned from the U.S.A so it shouldn't be banned now. Have a nice day!! Love all of You!! Goodbye!!

The Bible states that Luke 6 says "If you love only the people who love you, why should you receive a blessing? Even sinners love those who love them! And if you do good only to those who do good to you, why should you receive a blessing? Even sinners do that! And if you lend only to those from whom you hope to get it back, why should you receive a blessing? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount! No! Love your enemies and do good to them; lend and expect nothing back. You will then have a great reward, and you will be sons of the Most High God. For he is good to the ungrateful and the wicked. 36 Be merciful just as your Father is merciful."

Then 1 John 4:20-21 states "If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother."

I give these two verses as my main source, because in His Word, we find all the answers to every difficult situation we find ourselves in... including "loving thy neighbor as ourselves". Anyone who attempts to love someone who constanrly does wrong to them, they know how difficult it is to be a "christian". Because the flesh is inborn and natural, while doing things of the Spirit, is contrary, and difficult to accomplish; such as loving those who we don't see eye to eye with scripturally or morally for that matter.

I am a gay Christian. Though I hate labels, I prefer to call myself a "true believer". Hatred, big or small, verbal or physical is the source of all religious condemnation towards GLBTQ men and women. They use, simlilar to past issues of segregation and oppressed women, scriptures to back up their own prejudices and hatred towards minorities. Despite the fact that The Bible is a weapon towards the Devil and his angels. Despite Jesus spoke nothing on the matter and instead called Divorce a "sexual sin" in Matt 19 when He says "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery" (v. 9)

Now, because Jesus doesn't speak on the issue doesn't make it right, but it doesn't make it wrong either. Because as a Christian--the source of our answers to our questions should be in the Bible--we must seek an alternate author of Biblical evidence... Paul. In Romans Paul speaks against many things in regards to the Romans' lifestyle and worship. Ideally, idol worshiping. Where he found townsmen and women "worshiping the creation instead of the creator." Rom. 1:25 These men and women worshiped and served the god and goddesses of sex and pleasures.

I do not want to go deep into the subject, like a debate. But I am saying that as Christians, we have two commandments inwhich our Savior outlined as the two greatest commandments. These are just that: COMMANDMENTS. Not CHOICES. As Christians we are not to "Love the sinner and hate the sin" but rather live out and speak of "love the sinner and forgive the sin." Christ grants us that ability, shows that by His examples, and commands us. Peter is recorded in asking questions we find ourselves asking "How many times shall I forgive this man? Seven times?" And Jesus responds in stating "seventy-times seven". We should forgive and love as He first did so for us. That "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Now, I don't think Christ hated us while on that Tree of Clavery. He didn't have my orientation on His mind, but my name. With us, Spirituality should always come before Sexuality... always. Because BEFORE TIME, He chose us. (Romans)

In closure Christ does not set the tone for hatred but rather love. Paul says out of LOVE, HOPE and FAITH, LOVE IS THE GREATEST. (1 Corinthians 13:13)

I hope somoene out there found this post helpful and enlighting.

In Him,

MJordan

It doesn't take a degree to realize that homosexuality is NOT a choice.

Consider the following...

1) 477,000 professionals and experts stand firm is stating that homosexiality is not a disorder, a sickness or a choice. (http://www.clgs.org/5/5_6_4.html)

And in fact, any attempt to alter ones' orientation is a risk factor of ones pyschological wireing. Below are mental and health organizations that stand against "reparative therapy" (an attempt to changes or 'cure' ones sexuality):

American Academy of Pediatrics
American Counseling Association
American Medical Association
American Psychiatric Association
American Psychological Association
National Association of Social Workers

2) GLBTQ teens were more than twice as likely as heterosexual teens to report making a specific plan for suicide. Why is this? Could it be because it ISN'T a choice?

3) When you actually think about the thought process of actually choosing to be GLBT, it doesn't add up or seem logical. When one "comes out" there is a high risk of:

a) Society not accepting them equally. Thus loosing out on basic civil rights automatically given to straights etc.

b) If "religious", ones' church may disapprove, thus dismissing their membership, or worst departed from the 'church family' as a whole. Thus, loosing out on any spiritual support h/she may have previously loved and became apart of h/her.

c) Parents may disown them as their own children due to beliefs or reputation etc. Some parents send children off to such 'curing' and 'reparative' "ministries", hoping to fix something that isn't broken, leading to a exteme financial lost. Also, the parents may send them into isolation to a room, isolated from society, believing society was the fault of their sons/daughters "abnormal" behaviors and shift in sexual interest(s).

d) As an adult, one may loose job lost, benefits, or position all together. Also fellow co-workers begin to look, think and speak differently towards the person, believing he or she is a harm to the productivety of the company.

e) Do not have the same thousands-odd rights given automatically to heterosexual lovers/couples--married not. One is not being able to see their lover in the hospital, when he/she is ill or dying.

The above simply is a outline and brief reasoning to WHY it isn't a choice. WHEN you actually think about it, who in the right mind, considering JUST the above, would even think about coming out, stating they are GLBT?!?!

I know for one, and others who I have chatted with, would chose to be straight. BUT the fact is, being glbt is someting inborn.

Jesus is written as saying under the subject of divorcing and heterosexual-based relationships:

He answered, "Not all can accept [this] word, but only those to whom that is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage, for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it." (Matt 19:11-12)

So if Jesus can realize the fact that some can not marry a women due to reasons above, then why can't we?

In Him,

M Jordan

Suggested Reading on the subject:

What The Science Says - And Doesn't Say -
About Homosexuality

Research-based answers to ten of the most commonly asked questions about lesbian women, gay men, and their families. This 36-page booklet was written by Jeff Lutes, MS, LPC, Executive Director of Soulforce.

https://www.soulforce.org/store

I ask you this::
How can God deny any love if he is pure love?

I'm a bisexual, and a strong christian. I believe God loves me, because he made me. He allows me to have enough love to give to both guys AND girls.

I'm proud of who I am.
And I think God loves me, and accepts me. :]

people do not choose to be gay or not. people are so againest it i did not know gays were real until I was like 11. people should like stop making fun of gays. Like what's with homopobs?! People aren't scared of straight people so why be scared if gays?!

that homos should get married because it's not their fault that they are gay and should be able to commit to eachother. like straight people can get married so why can't gays?

I love all people (or try to) regardless of the choices they make in life...it's what I'm called to do as a Christian. However, let me set something straight: marriage was set up by God through the Jews way back when...and it was set up between MEN and WOMEN. So, as created, marriage is for heterosexual relationships, and any other form (dealing with homosexuality, beastiality, etc.) was considered an abomination of MARRIAGE...so, in other words, homosexuals can call it what they like, but I don't believe they should call it marriage. Marriage is the union between men and women...if someone wants another type of union than that kind, I believe they should make their own name up for it.

It doesn't matter who you like it all comes down to the same thing. I believe that everyone has the right to be with the person they care about even if that person is of the same gender. Denying a human being that right is extremly unfair. We all need to stop the discrimination against homosexuals, transsexuals, and bisexuals. It's just not right.

Gay people should have the right to love who ever they want..I don't see the big deal with gay marriage how will it hurt America..and who's business is it? Its not like Gays can help it...cuz if they could..why would they choose that, The discrimination isnt fun.

I dont know..I just thought i should say something.

It is not the church that forbids gays, it is God. the One who created Adam, and then Eve to be Adams helper and mate. I am not gay and YES, God gave us the choise to choose, because He gave us free will. God made man to be a man and woman a woman to be a woman. Yes, people do choose to be homosexual or not. God did not make homosexuals, they chose to be it. Just like someone who abuses alcohol or drugs or even food. They have free will and choose to use too much. I love everyone. I live for Chrisr. Because I live for Christ and live for His word I do not like the way homosexuals live, because again, God did not make man to be with man and woman to be with woman. BUT, He loves everyone he has made and that is ALL of you. I do not slander homosexuals or anything against God in this world, but, know I do Pray for you and Pray that aids and other diseases that come from homosexuality does not occure in the human lives. There are many things out there on the disease side that do not have to do with homosexuality I know, but there is a major one that is a #1 killer in some countries because of it out there. Again, the choise is yours and I love you no matter what you choose and God loves you so much and wants you to know this. So, I just wanted to write this and tell you all. God Bless you in your daily walks, All my love and prayers Dream4God

I think gays,bisexuals,lesbians and transvestites are just like me and you and should have the right to marry who they want. they shouldn't be treated different or looked upon as nasty or non human because god made us all the same we just chose who we prefer and thats our free will. I don't believe people have the right to chose for us who we can and can not marry that should be our chose and no one else. As a a bisexual I believe that we should be treated equal as the straights. I don't think our rights should be limited because people feel that the way we live is wrong or religious belief.

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Well, I've only just recently finished work on a new post-modern folk tale, geared toward an audience that is friendly toward homosexuality. Even though I myself am heterosexual, I think I can write something worthwhile to help homosexual rights and respect. My new story is called "Marigold's Moles", and it complements my first post-modern folk tale, "Two Princes". Like the first story, it features two main characters who are homosexual and fall in love (rather than the traditional prince and damsel-in-distress).
You can find it on my website,
http://liberative.tripod.com
or by clicking http://liberative.tripod.com/MarigoldsMoles.pdf
I hope you will have time to relax and read this fabulous story.
For the first, click http://liberative.tripod.com/TwoPrinces.pdf

Peace,
Kenneth

What would a Marriage Counselor think of this ?