Believe it or not, you are too
Submitted by parisgirl13 on Mon, 07/20/2009 - 09:10
I am personally a strong believer that homosexuality is wrong. I was reading through the forums to see if i could find anyone who shared this opinion. I could not. I read the messages about what some people are saying about people like me who don't like homosexuality and it seems to me like you are discriminating against us. Any opinions?
Thank you so so so so so much for posting this!!! I was about to post something like this, but then I found your's :) I totally know what you mean, I commented about this issue in a forum (religion vs. sexuality) and I was the only one who believed in what we do. It was kind of sad because everyone was saying how bad it is that people believe that homosexuality is wrong and I felt really discriminated. I feel a lot better now that I have found someone who shares this belief!!!! Let's try to share it with everyone! Im going to post a new forum about this in a few days!!! <3
Coming from a person who believes that everyone is entitled to happiness, I must say that I am no way saying that you all are wrong for what you believe in nor am I ridiculing you, however, it is not fair for you to judge homosexuals. I have a few homosexual friends and they are lovely. Though you may not be one of the people who try to tell them how much they are sinning, there are many people who do and many people who look down on them and who will treat homosexuals like outcasts...all Im saying is that just as we have the right to our happiness so do others regardless to what their preference is. Religion is why you all believe that it is wrong and that is fine, but you have to set yourself apart from those who ridicule, thus you will no longer feel discriminated against.
Different scenario: Its like saying that you think that people who own pit bulls are wrong because they own a dog that is know to be vicious. I, being an owner of a pit bull (who happens too be a like a 2 foot tall puppy =)) would probably assume that you are coming to ridicule me because of my dog, so I am automatically going to get defensive when you bring it up. However, if you were to say, "well, I don't want a pit bull as a pet" or "I think that they're naturally vicious" then I would only try educate you on them while I share my opinion, but I wouldnt hate you because of your preference.
Try to put yourself in the others shoes so maybe you can try to see how you should approach a conversation about same sex relationships (which is a pretty awkward conversation when its between a religious person and someone whose "disobeying" the "laws" of religion... (I put it in quotations, because I these are words that I have heard people use)
Best wishes,
Sietta =)
to peacelovehappiness13: thank you for agreeing me!
to hellomynameislove: i do not judge homosexuals. i do not treat them any differently than a person who is heterosexual. i just personally believe that homosexuality is wrong. i too have some friends who are homosexual and they are good people, and they know i think what they are doing is wrong. i do tell them how much they are sinning and they don't get angry at me for it at all. and yes, religion is why i do not think homosexuality is right but you shouldn't assume that everyone believes in heterosexuality because of religion. i do not ridicule homosexuals as i have said before, but i still feel people will treat me differently if i tell them i think it is wrong.
i totally understand where you are coming from though. i don't hate people because they are homosexual, i, once again, just think they are wrong. i don't think they are disobeying the 'laws of religion" (i put that is quotations as well) they are disobeying God.
best wishes to you as well,
rachel
(ps. haha i have to agree with you about pitbulls, my friend has one and it is the sweetest thing :)
When they put us down for our beleifs it does hurt us. We have the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion which is why most of us do not agree with homosexuality.
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion but personally what I learned in religion is that God makes us all good and all in his image. If God made us all in his image then I don't think theirs anything wrong with being homosexual. Your still you no matter what you classify yourself as. Your still human.
I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but God made people in his image meaning the were perfect, but then sin came into the world because of the devil tempting Adam and Eve and they gave in instead of listening to God. Read Genesis it explains it better. <3
The Bible Is not meant to be taken literally its basically just a collection of stories its like a big soap opera. Nobody's perfect but God. God made us good not perfect.
But are you not discriminating against us as well. I mean, if respect is going to be a two way road then you need to expect that if you're going to do the discriminating you're going to receive it.
What is wrong with me, a bisexual female, wanting to be happy with anyone? I mean, straight people get to be happy, animals who mate for life and be happy, so why can't I (a human being just like you) be happy?
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how many of you 'holy' christians are truely following gods word here?
because according to the bible, if any of you are unmarried and not a virgin, you are JUST as sinful and wrong as a gay person. But you don't want to believe in that because it would make you a bad christian and the means you're going to hell also. opps. Picking and choosing which bible verses to follow doesnt work here. sorry.... ;p
Sorry, people who discriminate and look down on people based on a cannibalistic bronze age religion made up by patriarchal men who've used it over thousands of years to unjustly control people don't get to whine about being discriminated against.
You are all that's wrong in the world. Grow up and stop believing in a fairy tale to somehow justify your life.
There are no laws that protect hate /eyeroll. The KKK and the Nazi's whined about this same damn thing, you know, lol.
I completely agree with what colors123 said.
same here. i dnt discriminate. i am a bisexual. and not a virgi. and guess wat im not maried either. i was raped after i came out to my boyfriend. i told him i was attracted to someone. he asked me who and i told him it was a grl. wen i told him who he was furious. and raped me. and u know wat i am a christian. yea its against my religion. i pray to god every single day for help with it. i am happy the way i am. i believe that if i lead a christianlife with the acception i am bisexual. i can go to heaven. maybe its bull, bu ihave changed the life of alot of ppl now. my lil sis who used to dread goin to church cant wait till sunday when she can go and listen to the sermon.for 8 yrs. i have gone to church alone. my mom would drop me off and id walk hom. now my sis and i go together.
and really, i am discriminated against at home school work church. how is that right. i am a nice person. i try and make everyone laugh a little each day. more often than not it works.but people who dont even know me judge me every single day.
my bf is amazing he is bi as well and he helps through so much. i love you john
I absolutley agree with colors 123.. How many of these holy christaians follow gods word? If those who want to talk about sinning and disobeying god.. im almost sure that you disobey god everyday.. so does that make it okay? Should you go to heaven? You cant help who you love, and there is nothing wrong with being Gay, Lesbian, bisexual or any other.. we are all humans with the same exact rights... we all deserve to be happy no matter who we love.
I am not Christan, I do not support the beliefs of christanity, but I am not against it and do not disriminate against it. To be honest the only opinons that matters are the ones that you take in, it is your choice to take in ones that are against what you are, sexuality is a part of a person, for instance, in band we went to another school and the first question they asked is. "Do you have a boyfriend?" And while it was okay for my other firneds to say yes, I said, No that I had a girlfrirend, my band director talked to me about it and said that it was innapropraite, and I only nodded and continued on with my life. It doesn't matter, she is not preventing me from loving my girlfriend, she isn't forcing my wonderful relationship to end. So it doesn't matter. I know Christans who have never been to church who have not even read the bible, many of them are not virgins, and are not marriage, and I know many christians who are pious and read the bible everyday go to curch every sunday, and still have sex before marriage. All of those seemed bad in the eyes of a christan. But Even If I was straight, and was not a virgin I would be casted down upon. Religion, Divides people, i'm not saying I'm against religion, but thats a fact. Our society is not ready for equality. It never will be, we may come close, but for everyone to be truly equal, we would all have to think the same, but we can't and so there is always someone who have their own opinon, but that makes us human and should not be looked down upon by anyone.
Let's all be mindful of each other's opinions, it is alright to disagree, but not okay to be disrespectful. Please continue to post your feelings, but keep in mind we all have been raised differently, have different beliefs, experiences, and reasonings.
We may all have been raised differently, but that doesn't give anyone the right to be arrogant.
I was raised to think this and that, but do I always listen? No. Why? I have this thing called a mind...I use it sometimes, its mine, not my parents (or whomever raised me).
Why should someone look down upon another group of people because they are different?
If they are going to do it, then they can expect for it to be done to them. End of story.
I have several gay friends, i am not religious, i am do not discriminate, i judge everyone on their own merits, but i also believe that marriage is reserved for a man and women, sorry thats how i was raised, i believe a gay couple should have all the rights of any other couple regading healthcare and such. and so should the guy with 3 wifes in utah. the bible says what it says, either you believe in it or not, if you dont then you dont have to worry about going to hell... or heaven, if you do believe in it then i guess you shouldnt be gay, you cant just pick and choose your verses.
BTW..... God forgives sin if it is reconized and stopped, God wont forgive if you continue to Sin., but if you dont believe then it doesnt matter.
Just thinking... if a man and dog are happy, shouldnt beastiality be forgiven and embraced????
maybe we all have a line that we believe others shouldnt cross, and we all judge those who cross it.
I dont think that anyone should even try to compare same sex marriage to beastiality.
it may not be what you were trying to get at, but that was how it was percived&it was very offending
~Shane
Out of all i said that is what you took from my post??, i was just making a point, EVERYONE has a line that they think should not be be crossed, it sounds like you would have a problem with beastiality being legal. where i have a problem with the likes of Manbla.com, which for the longest time GLAD supported them, the ACLU and the rainbow coalition still to some extent support Manbla.com
1 man+1 woman
1 man+1 man
1 woman+1 woman
1 man+2 women
1 man+3 women
1 man+ 10 women
1 man+ 1 boy
1 man+ 1 girl
where should the line be drawn
now see i dont share your opinion but im not here to bash you.
I myself am lesbian/transman. i believe i should have the same oprotunities as everyone else in this world no matter what gender or orientation. You can believe that who I am is wrong all you want, in my opinion its what some anti-gay exreamists do that is wrong. believing is one thing but doing things to people because of who they love or what gender they are i think is over the line.
I don't hate people who hate me or who i love,i extreamly dislike those who try to ruin our lives because of it,and i hate the people who take our lives.i'm not saying that thats the majority but thats the kind of think that our activists are trying to prevent. dont try to take things so personally.I know that can be difficult but I really think all we are trying to do is make this place safer for us.
if you actuallly feel like talking more about it email me.im always up for a good debate. [email removed by admin]
~Shane
by the way i am a ferm christian.& i dont let anyone tell me i "cant be" because of "who i am" or "what i do"
and to get back on pblinds.thats not all i got out of your thing,i was mearly commenting on it.
By that logic, everyone is being discriminated against ALL of the time. If some has a different opinion than you, that isn't discrimination. That's is simply a difference in opinion.
I think that just because you believe that homosexuality is wrong that doesn't make you homophobic, because those are the morals that were taught to you but you have to understand how it would feel to be in their shoes and be told that your life style is sinful and the you'll burn in hell for it. All they want to do is have rights like everyone else and i think they are entitled to that right. I wish people would see that whats happening to the gays are the same things that happened to the blacks!
everyone has their own opinion, and in this case i must disagree with you. if you are gay or bisexual, you cant help it. it is how you feel inside and you cant change it.so why discriminate against these people when there not doing anything wrong?
Whoever said the bible was just a collection of stories and what not, thanks. Thank you very much.
Gay couples shouldn't be looked down upon the way they are. They should be allowed to be married. Love is love and that's not going to change. I understand that because of the way you're raised you don't get it and you know what, i'm sorry for you. I am.
But you saying you get discriminated upon because you discriminate gays isn't right. It's the golden rule. You're getting what you're giving.
Since you are Christian(like me!) And you pray to God everyday so you could stop being bisexual,i will pray for you,because it's against our religion.
God dosen't care if u are straight ,bisexual or gay god mad us all diferent.no one has the wrigt to judge exept god.
"But you saying you get discriminated upon because you discriminate gays isn't right. It's the golden rule. You're getting what you're giving."
To you and everyone who posted things similar to that, thank you. Yes, it is called karma.
And, I need to add this: People who are gay, God MADE them that way. So how can it be against God?
parisgirl13, I would suggest you stop telling your friends that they are sinners for being gay. That isn't being their friend, that is being cruel. I respect your opinion, but I do NOT respect the fact that you would say something like that to someone you consider a friend.
Oh grow up.!Blah blah blah I'm being discriminated against because I'm discriminating against gays??Does that make any sense once so ever?The Bible may say that being gay is wrong but the Bible was written millions of years ago.!!I am a proud Christian and also proudly bi-sexual.Yes I believe firmly in God and have read the Bible but things have changed so much since way back when.Gays are not any more promiscuous than straights and gays are not "immoral.The Bible has absolutely no standing in American law so no one has the right to impose their rules just because they think their beliefs are mandated from the freaking Bible.!You people think that just because your not openly hating on gays that your not being homophobic are wrong.!You telling your close friends all the time that sure your ok with them being gay,but your still sinning is not showing that your really ok with them being gay.!We aren't discriminating on anybody,we are just calling you out on your so called "Bible-based reasons" for being homo phobics.Get over yourselves.!
Alexis.People Can Change.
I actually think that it isn't right to be gay. But, I also don't mind if my friends are. If thats what they want to be, then let them be what they want. You do you and Ill do me. You shouldn't be so judgmental like that. It's like you hating someone that doesnt like brocoli or something. Seriously get over yourselve people
-Asha Omar
My opinion on all this is that I believe that everyone is created equal, fat, skinny, tall, short, buddist, catholic, gay, straight. I don't believe it is right for discrimination in anyway. If you believe that being gay is wrong, I may not have the same opinion about you on that, but It is wrong of me to say you are wrong.
As far as the bible goes, that's definately not my path. The bible says that if your kids disobey then you should stone them to death, but you don't take that literally. And the bible says that it's a sin to eat crayfish. People eat crayfish all the time I'm not here to judge, I'm just trying to understand. & like I said, if you believe in the bible, awesome.
& to blueriver11: I completely agree with everything you said, thank you.
Also if anyone gets the time you definately need to check out the movie prayers for Bobby. It's the most amazing movie about a true story of a boy named bobby who is gay and his mom tries to fix him throught the bible from being gay and he ends up committing suicide. It has a great story to it.
http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/prayers-bobby
What is so wrong about homosexuality. I mean really, not to long ago people thought interracial relationships were wrong. I know tons of just teens who are gay or bi. They are really cool. I don't judge people who oppose homosexuality but I don't get why they are so against it. Love is love. It's not hurting you or physically causing anyone pain. Just people trying to live their lives and want to be excepted.
oh and then people disagree extremely on same sex marriage, saying its religiously wrong and what not. Well I'm sure non-religious, non-catholic or Christian men and women get married all the time. If they don't believe in God and that marriage is a holy thing why can they get married but not a same sex couple. How is that any different?
Yes we were all raised differently. But that doesn't mean we can't or don't change. What about people who were raised to think and do bad things to another race because they were "inferior" Yes racial discrimination still goes on but some children went around their parents beliefs and didn't find other races inferior. We grow and move on.
Really what's so wrong about it?
im bisexual first off and i just wanna respond 2 ur post but almost all of the time we hear remarks made about our lifestyle and who we love so when ppl that arent GLBT cum up 2 us we naturally think that ur gonna say sumthing wrong about us
everyone deserves to be happy no matter if it's a man on man love, girl on girl love, girl on boy love, it doesn't matter who everyone choose to be with, it's really no body's business why 2 dudes or 2 girls or a dude and a girl decided to betogether, everyone is intitled to experience good/bad relationships with anyone they choose, just like there's freedom of speech, there is also a freedom of choice. Im straght but i don't mind seeing gay couples running around, i even have gay friends and it doesn't matter to me because i see them as the same as me, they do the samething that a man and a woman do, a relationship is a relationship no matter who is with who, gay couples have the same relationship problems, issues, drama and controversy as the rest of us. The only one who can judge is God and if God had a problem with it then he would of let the world know by now.
I feel your pain trust me, i experienced discrimination by my whole grade school long ago for the thought that i was gay, so im with you on that, most ppl that are straight our scared and insecure about their own selves and what other ppl think like if they hang around gay ppl then their friends or whoever gona think they are gay, It hurts when one minute ppl are your friend then when they find out or assume you are gay then they want to throw you under the bus and forget about getting to know you, i have accepted all my friends who are gay or bi even transgendered, sometimes gay ppl are better friends then the average straight friends. i say do what ever best fit yur taste and tell everyone who wants to have a say so about who you should be dating to kick rocks because they are just jealious that they have no one of their own to love or they might secretly want you.
Just because you dont support gay marraige does not mean you are a hater. I have family members that i love who are gay and though i know its not right i dont look down upon them. I think Gay marrages should not be permitted. our country was built upon man and women. not man and man or women and women. And God does not yell at us. he whispers. Maybe he is trying to show us that that kind of relation is wrong by having all this conflict gooing on.Maybe he thinks right now is not the right time to reveal to the world that its wrong. You cannot possibly know Gods mind or His intent.
I beleive that NOT believing in love,regardless of whom the gender of the person they love is, is discrimination. Believe it or not, they are righteous,human, and have the same amount of rights you have for loving someone. I strongly believe loving is morally correct, not immoral in any way regardless of their gender.
God of the Christian bible is claimed to be the God of Love, but where is the love if he sends people for loving to the opposite of heaven.
I am perfectly in love with someone and i would not want to take someone's right to loving someone away from someone.
Religion is a twisted excuse for taking away someones right to love.
love is love no matter who you love.
It is a twisted concept to hate someone for loving.
I am 100%(and more) for gay rights.
This is 100% my opinion,i am NOT preaching to anyone about my opinion i am simply stating my opinion.
i fail to see what is so wrong with homosexuality, and i certainly believe without a doubt that anyone who is a good person, regardless of religious beliefs or sexual orientation, will go to heaven if there is one. (i am an omnitheist so i don't necessarily prescribe to a certain belief. instead i believe them all to be fundamentally interchangeable and viable.)
and yes, the rights that married couples receive should also be given to civil union couples or whatever they call them these days. whether homosexual couples should be allowed to marry, however, is not up to the government to decide. these days there is a huge wave of conservative opposition to "big government", yet many conservatives also say that the government should regulate marriage. (for the record, i am not a liberal.) even if the government did outlaw gay marriage, however, that wouldn't stop gay couples from marrying. many drugs are illegal, but the drug trade still thrives despite increased prison sentences for possessing drugs. (and homosexuality is certainly not a crime at all, much less a reason to be imprisoned.)
there will always be ways for homosexual couples to marry, from las vegas to those many churches that are willing to perform them. it is not the government's job to regulate marriage. doing so would never stop gay marriage anyway, so it is imperative to give ALL legally joined couples, whatever you wish to call them, the same rights as married couples.
it would be an outrage if heterosexual married couples were denied the legal rights they have today, but it's an equal outrage to give these rights to civil union couples?
I don't see what's wrong with homosexuality. Are they doing anything to you? The deal is "you have your beliefs, they have their beliefs." Why can't we just leave it to that. I respect your opinions and please respect mine as well and hear me out. I strongly believe in the teachings of God and I know that one of them are that homosexuality is wrong, it shouldn't happen. But I also believe in equality. Why can't they be happy with the person they want to love? I honestly couldn't explain my thoughts in more words but all I know that going against it is just gonna cause trouble. Leave them alone and they'll leave you alone. They're not monsters. As cheesy as it sounds "they're humans too"
Just like a large number of people on here I too believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The right to speak. The right to be free.
We live in a society where we teach others not to judge people by their covers - what they believe in or what they stand for. Yet at the same time we condemn homosexuals for being themselves. We forget the courage it takes for them just to come out. The strength to keep going through the comments, remarks and sniggers that follow.
How can people accept themselves when we, the rest of the world, does not?
I don't think homosexuality is a sin. I don't think being yourself is a sin. I certainly don't think any homosexual is going to hell for it.
Regarding bestiality being compared to the right to gay marriage - two adult men or women can make an adult, informed decision. An animal cannot. There is no argument.
Regarding your opinion - It is yours and you are entitled to it. This is not about your freedoms only. It is about everyone's freedoms.
I believe that being gay may not be a choice, but at the same time, thats not how God intendid us to be. I don't like homosexuality, but if i know someone who is gay, I may be grossed out at first, but I do not have the power to judge that person. I think its wrong, but everyone lives their own lives. If they are gay, let them be gay, its their life not mine.
To be honest, i'm straight but i don't think im any better or worse than you. I think that you should be aloud to live a happy life just like the rest of us. It's your life, live it the way you want to. Now hear me out, I kinda think its gross, but i wouldn't ever be mean to you like that. To the other kids, if they don't have anything nice to say about it, they shouldn't say anything at all.
Gosh, you are a awful @$% that should be shot for hating gays. @#$$#%
Gosh, you are a awful @$% that should be shot for hating gays. @#$$#%
I believe everyone has the right to their own opinion which is why i say this i believe either people who dont support gay rights either need to be more educated and if they still are bound to the same opinion then fine but people shouldnt get in the way of other peoples beliefs which is why the american constitution was written
WE'RE HERE AND WE'RE QUEER SO GET USED TO IT
Im sorry but your username is a joke if this is what u think then u are not about peace and happiness
I think that it is sometimes the way thoughts are spoken aloud that make it seem like someone is implying something.
Religion is just a big FAKE!!!! It started out as some jews came across some UFO's and the aliens must have been like WTF is that???? and next thing you know they probe some woman and she has an alien baby part human i don't know nor do I care to know. So being gay is just simply gay. I am gay and who cares. Look the future is coming and next thing you know cars will fly and people will stop having christmas and all that nonsense that fucks people up and the world.
Its like " yeah lets go worship that UFO/Alien just cause it showed us how to make a cup and while were at it lets make everything a sinner so they can burn in hell while we get all the gold" Well guess what you greedy bastards the world says fuck you and your roof will fall in on your BIG DUMB HEADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!